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tunah
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01-19-2009, 03:56 AM
Post subject: All-in underbets (nut straight on turn, multiway)
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Join Date: Jan 2009
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This hand confused me and as a result I played it bad. I thought I knew the rules of poker by now... edit I can use images now yay
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (9 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP3 ($9.27)
MP2 ($1.96)
Hero (UTG) ($8.07)
SB ($6.35)
MP1 ($2)
Button ($4.30)
UTG+1 ($4.96)
CO ($10.47)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9 , 10
UTG+1 calls $0.04, MP1 calls $0.04, MP2 calls $0.04, MP3 calls $0.04, 1 fold, Button calls $0.04, 1 fold, Hero checks
Flop: ($0.26) 3 , J , Q (6 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.12, MP1 calls $0.12, MP2 calls $0.12, MP3 calls $0.12, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.12
Turn: ($0.86) 8 (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.16, MP1 calls $0.16, MP2 calls $0.16, MP3 calls $0.16, Hero raises $1.33, UTG+1 calls $1.17, MP1 calls $1.17, MP2 raises to $1.80 (All-In), MP3 calls $1.64, Hero calls $0.47, UTG+1 calls $0.47, MP1 calls $0.47
River: ($9.86) 3 (5 players, 1 all-in)
Hero ???
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So BB special, I flop a straight draw, it completes on the turn giving me the nuts. Since there was a bet and so many callers on the previous street I decide to checkraise it.
The flop raiser raises again and all call, I reraise 3/4 pot as I'm afraid of him folding if I push here. I think he's got a set or top two pair. He calls.
One of the callers comes over the top for not much more, and I want to reshove but the software (party) won't let me, I can only fold or call. Of course I call with the nuts, but I don't really like being further committed without being able to push since either a flush or a board pair could well have me beat.
So first, what's the rule that applies here? I can't reraise if it was less than a full bet (i.e. the previous raise)? Or less than half a bet? Do I need to take this into account when sizing my bets in multiway pots?
Now the river completes the flush draw and pairs the board. All I really beat now is AQ and JQ. Do I have to check/fold to UTG+1's shove?
And of course other suggestions appreciated.
(I was still confused about not being able to reraise, I was first to act here, and shoved like an idiot...)
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
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sucks when that happens but you had no idea it was going to go down like that so you can't blame yourself. My guess in a 5way pot with that turn action that it's probably best just to c/f the river.
3d is 2nd worst river card behind the Qd, so it's a pretty easy c/f
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AFchung
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: UCLA
Posts: 1,179
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that river card kills your hand
why didnt you pump it in on the turn?
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kb coolman
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Join Date: Oct 2008
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Um, this makes no sense. It's No Limit. This must be a glitch. Have you reported it?
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
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not a glitch at all, if the all-in raise is not a minraise (less than the minimum required to make a full raise) then the original raiser cannot re-raise over it.
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tunah
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Join Date: Jan 2009
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Originally Posted by AFchung
that river card kills your hand
why didnt you pump it in on the turn?
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I'm first to act on the turn, pushing would be a 6xpot overbet, and I didn't think I'd get paid off. I was pretty sure someone would raise.
After UTG+1 raises and it gets back to me, the pot is $1.50 so pushing would still be a 3xpot overbet. I thought I shouldn't push them out yet. (The money went in after my raise).
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Um, this makes no sense. It's No Limit. This must be a glitch. Have you reported it?
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My initial reaction was 'glitch' but I vaguely remembered a rule about underbets when someone raises all-in but doesn't have enough for a minraise. edit: thanks for the explanation Spenda.
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flomo
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: mashing potatoes
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river card sucks
turn-->shove it all for me with that many hands out
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Originally Posted by bigred
Protect dog
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tunah
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Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 44
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Originally Posted by flomo
turn-->shove it all for me with that many hands out
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Cool. I still get sucked out on by the full house (guy wasn't laying down jacks here) but at least no flush.
That's check/shove or bet/shove right?
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kb coolman
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2008
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
not a glitch at all, if the all-in raise is not a minraise (less than the minimum required to make a full raise) then the original raiser cannot re-raise over it.
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Ah...that makes sense.
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