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ilikeaces86
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11-22-2004, 05:35 PM
Post subject: All in preflop with AA and KK
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Do you guys think you could turn a profit on the nl100 just going all in every time you have kk or aa prelfop?
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a500lbgorilla
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Do you mean:
Blinds post, fold, fold, you go allin?
Or what?
You'd need to have a real LAggy table image and you'd have to be pushing with a lot of hands for no reason for them to believe that a PF allin is worth calling with a weaker hand. That or just hope someone has AKs or QQ and feel like gambling. I doubt it, you actually need to play these hands at that limit.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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ilikeaces86
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Yes I mean no matter what postion your in just go all in when it is your turn to act preflop.
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Went back and added a little part to my first post.
You'd need a crazy table image or someone to have a strong holding but mostly no. What are they going to call you with if you play tight and then lead out allin out of the blue?
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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ilikeaces86
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I think that players on PP would be somewhat likely to call with ak qq and sometimes even JJ...am I incorrect?
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It would be a rare occurance for you to hold KK and someone else to have QQ or AKs, rare enough to not be profitable. And if I held JJ and nailed you as pretty tight and you lead out allin for no reason, I'd fold. I wouldn't even call with JJ if you had just taken a huge hit and might be on tilt unless I felt like gambling. You would show a greater profit by actually playing these hands for a flop.
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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DavSimon
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11-22-2004, 05:51 PM
Post subject: Re: All in preflop with AA and KK
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
Do you guys think you could turn a profit on the nl100 just going all in every time you have kk or aa prelfop?
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I guess I am a little confused by the question. Are you asking can you make money by folding every hand (not playing) until you get AA or KK - then pushing. The answer is probably not. The odds of getting AA or KK is 1:215...you would be paying a lot in blinds waiting around for the hand and people will notice that you have done nothing but fold. When you go all in it will throw a huge red flag...and everyone will fold to the rock. Unless you get lucky and someone feels like gambling like 'rilla said.
If you mean play normally and just decide that whenever you get AA or KK you will push pre-flop - the answer is maybe. Again it will not be too hard for you opponents to pick up on what you are doing after once or twice. Then there is the chance you will get a caller and still lose (Aces and Kings get cracked all the time)
Your best bet is to play sound poker, change things up periodically - show down a bad hand or two if it can be done cheaply...to ensure you will get action the next time you do get a big hand.
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I dunno I have had lost of people call me with garbage when I have AA or KK and push it in pre-flop. Seems most profitable in the small blind when everyone else folds and you are next to act. I raise all in with AA or KK (occasionally 46 suited, my fav hand shhhhhhh  ) and many a time the BB has called. I think it's the "bitch u aint gonna take my 50 cents, I am gonna play wit u, you mofo!" My table image is pretty tight too, I am not going all in preflop unless I have AA or KK (usually). I play 6 max if that is a factor. One person called my AA with Q8os  . Um one moron called with 56 (for 40 dollars, I had him covered!), and they hit their 2 pair (thatz poker). Mostly they call with 2 face cards though which are dominated by AA or KK.
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Check out this thread:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...pic.php?t=4271
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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DavSimon
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Well there goes the theory of getting no callers if you go all in pre-flop with KK. I got rather surprising callers.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...pic.php?t=4443
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Les_Worm
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11-23-2004, 02:41 PM
Post subject: Re: All in preflop with AA and KK
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
Do you guys think you could turn a profit on the nl100 just going all in every time you have kk or aa prelfop?
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absolutely not
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ihategnomes
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11-25-2004, 03:23 PM
Post subject: All-in strat
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The all-in strategy only works well when the players are fearful of leaving the tournament. So probably the only time this will work is when you are playing large buy-ins / altered the system for position / played more all-ins than AA kk QQ or whatever, like suited Ace. I would probably never show a hand if I didnt have to. After read Sklansky's book, HAP, I did modify the all-in system and it worked really well when playing $100 rebuy first hour MTT live. I played 10 such tournaments, and I placed in 5. I did find out, that it is best to switch over to tight aggressive at some point in the tournament, as in, when you start to get a lot of chip, start to get to less tables, etc. The tournament in question was 99 players cap at the local pool hall, but people come from other states to play in it, so its a pretty decent tournament. This was probably a bad tournament to try, since it was a rebuy. But I hardly went all-in in the first hour to get the game out of the muck.
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Ash256
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I was wondering about this the other day for NL cash.
What cash levels (assuming 6max) would it work at?
If we had 40% rakeback to go with it, how profitable would it be? What proportion of our profits would be the rakeback?
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Seasider
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If people had their doubts in 2004 I doubt it would work now. Isn't the general consensus that games have improved a lot?
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Jimmy Mac
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There are better ways to grind out a small winrate and generate rakeback right? Solid shortstacking, or just basic setfarming would do the trick.
Good bump though.
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Miffed22001
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you can do the short stack thing playing KK+ and occasionally AK/QQ/JJ/TT and turn a small profit over a fair sample.
Fwiw, i did 80k at 2/4nl 3/6nl on stars and turned up about 2.2bbs/100 + all the fpps (would be rakeback elsewhere)
However, only really on stars do you have enough fr tables running for this to be worth it.
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zenbitz
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Originally Posted by TylerK
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Wholey Moley. I didn't read my own ramblings in the bump dere, but I don't guarentee any of the math/logic is good there. At all. Ever.
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wufwugy
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it can be done at .01.02 NL on Stars because you can buy in for 250bb
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