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06-15-2005, 04:59 AM Post subject: All in with Pocket 9's

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Hi Everyone,

I didn't know where to put this so as I'm completely new here I thought this would be as good a place as any.

Anywhooooo...........I had an interesting hand the other night and wanted your opinions on it. I've only been playing poker about 3 months but feel I have at least a decent understanding of the basics. Forgive me if I don't have all the terminology or important stuff in the below but I'll do my best.

I'm playing NLHE at a $10 buy in table with 5/10c blinds. Only 3 players at the table. One guy had been very aggressive the whole time. Us other two having to fold more often than not either preflop or on the flop.

Finally I pick up pocket 9's. Only 3 at the table, good hand I figure. I raise the pot to $1. Mr Agressive calls and the other folds.

Post flop comes 2s 5h Jd. I throw out another $1.50 bet so as not to show weakness or fear of the J. Mr Aggressive goes all in.

Now here's where it gets interesting. I feel I have a pretty good read on him thus far. I figure as he only called my preflop raise he probably doesn't have a high pair. So I put him on maybe AK or KQ. I figure there is a chance he's made a pair of J's but after much thought I think it unlikely he woulud have called my preflop raise with J/something else and I call all in.

Out comes the turn and river with no help. He is on KQ, doesn't catch his card and I win a nice $22ish pot.

Now this guy goes off saying I played the hand totally wrong because I called him when I didn't even have top pair. Says he made the right move cause he was on a drawing to top pair hand. Says I'm a fish and if I stay around he will take back all my money yadda yadda yadda. I say I trusted my read and was right. I figured if he hadn't made the Jacks then he would have only had 6 outs to improve his hand to win. That gives me a roughly 75% chance of winning the hand since I don't need to improve. Of course if my read was wrong then I'm out.

Now comes the questions.
1: Do you guys think I made the right move?
2: Would you call and all in bet with a single overcard on the table?
3: Why is it that if he is trying to draw top pair and goes all in that's "considered the right move" but everytime someone calls an all in bet and they are on a flush draw everyone says it's the wrong move?
4: Wouldn't the flush draw have more outs(9) than drawing to top pair(6)?
5: If you are on any sort of draw hand wouldn't you sort of just want to be calling if the other guy is betting big?

So in short, do you think I made the right call or just got lucky? Sorry for the rambling nature of the post btw. I don't expect a point by point answer, just a general outline of whether you all think I made the right call, played the hand right etc.

Cheers and thanks,
Peaceful Kung Fu Fighting Warrior(PKKFW)

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TLR

06-15-2005, 06:57 AM

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First of all, nice play.

1: You got reraised while you hold less then top pair, this is a situation when I will call only if I had a good read on the player, which apprently you did, I would never call a reraise without a very good read on the player, there are a bunch of hands that would not reraise you preflop but have you beaten - Aj,Kj, Qj, JT, TT, 55, 22.

2. Same as one

3. The point here is that there is a big difference between making the bet and calling the bet. When you make the bet (like he did) you hope to buy the pot right there by bluffing your opponent off the pot, and if they call you still got outs. When you call the bet you dont have the option of your opponent folding, so you are just drawing for the hand. In a nutshell you need a better hand to call then to bet.

4. Yes

5. As with everything else in poker, it depends. The textbook answer is call by pot odds, so if you have 9 outs on the turn you want to call a bet which is 1/3 of the pot or less (without taking into considerations implied odds), the long answer is that it highly depends on your read of your opponnent

Staresy

06-15-2005, 10:04 AM Post subject: Re: All in with Pocket 9's

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