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Old 04-28-2009, 10:52 PM     Post subject: AKs All in Preflop Correct? #1 (permalink)  
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I hear people like 4 betting ak so i did and i get reraised im supose to call right?


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Preflop: Hero is MP with A, K
1 fold, Hero bets $1, 2 folds, SB raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9, SB raises to $25 (All-In), Hero calls $16

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Old 04-28-2009, 10:59 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Its really best to stop the HH when you call, what cards came on the board are irrelevant to the play.

I did some numbers in my last Op entry. You gotta give this guy a range, but unless he's super tight (in which case 4-betting was bad) then yes this is a call.
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Old 04-28-2009, 11:11 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 obv we're not 4bet/folding

4bet size is big, ~$7 at the most with a balanced range should do
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Old 04-28-2009, 11:29 PM #4 (permalink)  
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awesome both responses very helpful thanks he ended uop having KK haha its all good that poker
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:11 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Lets see, you need to call 16 to win 36, so 16/(16+36) = 30%. So thats how much equity we need.

Hand 0: 34.106% 33.69% 00.41% 6923328 84732.00 { AKs }
Hand 1: 65.894% 65.48% 00.41% 13454856 84732.00 { KK }

If this was a live game and he flipped his KK after shoving you would still call due to pot odds.

Hand 0: 23.123% 22.60% 00.52% 9288900 213750.00 { AKs }
Hand 1: 76.877% 76.36% 00.52% 31378896 213750.00 { KK+ }

If we put him on a super tight range of only AA/KK we can fold, but again if thats his range the 4-bet is obviously bad.

Hand 0: 41.904% 22.62% 19.28% 32535636 27736416.00 { AKs }
Hand 1: 58.096% 38.81% 19.28% 55825068 27736416.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

Against a somewhat reasonable range its a very easy call, and obviously from here on the wider his range gets the easier the call.

This is the kind of thing thats worth running through yourself and getting an idea of equity v's ranges.
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Old 04-29-2009, 10:34 AM #6 (permalink)  
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There are plenty of people at 25NL who are nitty enough with 3 bets that 4 betting them is pretty bad. Be careful who you are doing this to.
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:52 PM #7 (permalink)  

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Certainly make the call, you 4bet, your not folding.
However I'd need more of a read on their stats to say if i would 4bet them. If they are super nitty, I'd probably just call the 3bet.
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Old 04-29-2009, 01:28 PM #8 (permalink)  
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sometimes it's best to call a 3b
4betting AK gets better and better as people 3b more and more
against someone who almost never 3b, you shouldn't 4b AK
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