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Micro2Macro

04-29-2009, 02:49 AM Post subject: AKs $10nl

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Unknowns again first lap, I won't even bother posting the HUD stats over 9 hands since it's pointless.

Better to jam or just call here since we're getting like 5:1 anyway...?
Is the original raise okay?

I think my bet sizing is just fucked. Can someone explain better sizing - with an explanation rather than just the $ amount, thanks.

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CO ($9.50)
Button ($6.50)
SB ($3.80)
BB ($9.85)
Hero (UTG) ($10.30)
MP1 ($11.10)
MP2 ($6.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

, A

Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.40, 1 fold, Button calls $0.40, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.35) J

, 3

, 8

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.80, MP2 calls $0.80, Button raises to $1.60, Hero raises to $4, MP2 raises to $6.45 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $2.45

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04-29-2009, 03:08 AM

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Everything seems fine with the only question being whether the postflop 3-bet should have been a call.

He still would have been pot-committed on any turn bet and you would have had a chance to make the flush draw or pair an over.

bjsaust

04-29-2009, 03:58 AM

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I tend to take my incredible pot odds here. Usually, I dont expect villain to ever fold and we dont know if our overs are good (if they are jamming is obv fine, but normally against this play I expect to see a set). If they have a set all we're doing is stacking off with around 30% equity.

Now you no doubt have a note on him that he'll minraise a drawy flop 3 way and fold. If you had that note BEFORE this hand, then I just 3-bet shove to the minraise.

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04-29-2009, 08:50 AM

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I like it. You have decent equity, some FE, are oop and a lot of turncards cut your equity in half, hence 3ball > call.

Id cbet more on frop to make it easier to get in asap, like 1.1 and have an easy 3ball shove once one of them shorties raises.

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04-29-2009, 09:50 AM

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My thinking is…

1) We’re getting paid off when we hit like always
2) There is little benefit in disguising our hand
3) Our fold equity generally sucks
4) Villain is likely to make mistakes on the turn and river (like free cards)

This being said I do like to balance my range and although I think it's better to have an exploitable range at these stakes I think it will create good habits at higher stakes. I’m more likely 3 bet OOP.

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04-29-2009, 09:51 AM

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Also I wouldn’t go as far as to say 9 hands are completely useless.

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04-29-2009, 10:31 AM

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Balance sucks when it means deliberately getting your money in bad for no other reason.

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04-29-2009, 01:08 PM

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I think I would of called the flop 3-bet, he's committed, lets see if we make our draw. However as played you have to call that all-in bet, for pot odds alone, your getting like 6:1 on a nut flush draw.

On bet sizing, ask yourself what you are trying to accomplish with your bet size. With your 4 dollar bet it looks to me like you have decided your committed and you want to get them all in. So with their aprox. 6.50 stacks if they raise your obviously calling it and they can't possibly think your going to fold. And if they call they must know your going to put them all in on the turn anyway.

04-29-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by XTR1000

yeah, in fact if you're betting this flop you're better off betting big anyway
I wouldn't be betting without a piece anyway

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04-29-2009, 03:51 PM Post subject: Re: AKs $10nl

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

, A

Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.40, 1 fold, Button calls $0.40, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.35) J

, 3

, 8

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.80, MP2 calls $0.80, Button raises to $1.60, Hero raises to $4, MP2 raises to $6.45 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $2.45

Pre-flop, I totally play it the same.
Post Flop, hmm... I like first bet. Min raise by button? hmm... then he folds... hmmm... mp2 calls then shoves. AJ? Hmm... strange line.

I'm baffled by them. I think the call is correct here but their line is weird to me... I have no idea what they hold.

This post by me was not helpful.

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04-29-2009, 04:28 PM

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MPs line indicates a set.

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04-29-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamThePirate

MPs line indicates a set.

what do you want us to do about it it's kind of too late to fold

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04-29-2009, 06:21 PM

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I think you should have just called the button minraise. All you have is a draw. Why not try to see the next card as cheaply as possible?

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04-29-2009, 09:49 PM

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I like your line here. I'd probably bet it the same.

04-29-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PlayToWin

I think you should have just called the button minraise. All you have is a draw. Why not try to see the next card as cheaply as possible?

your thinking is flawed
if he raised and everyone folded he'd gain 3.20 + 1.35 = $4.55
and he's only risking $4.85 to gain $4.55
also, he has 30% equity agains the nuts
also, he's breaking even if both decide to play for stacks

shoving here is great
the only question is if calling is slightly better

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04-30-2009, 04:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlayToWin

I think you should have just called the button minraise. All you have is a draw. Why not try to see the next card as cheaply as possible?

Agree with this.

Argument for flatting: your equity goes way down on lots of turns that you can get away from, you keep the pot multiway where obviously you have great equity and implied odds against weaker draws, stack sizes are great for getting it in on favorable turns (without knowledge that MP2 is shipping on the flop)

Argument for getting it in on flop: You have great equity against any hand, turns that complete your draws will shut down your action.

Conclusion: If villains are bad enough or your image is aggressive enough to get it in with weaker after the flush or overcard hits, flatting is better; if your opponents will shut down on turns that improve you, get it in now.

Side-conclusion: Bet bigger on the flop so folding after the draw hits is more difficult for your opponents.

04-30-2009, 09:50 AM

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I agree with that, our flop 3b should be a shove

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