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!Luck
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01-12-2010, 12:32 AM
Post subject: AK Woot didn't go all in, but now I need pair of balls.
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Full House
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Villain is 29/3/3 over 115. I feel like this is a decent sample.
Based soley on the above his 3 bet range must be 99+AKs according to stove. Considering he it out of position I limit that to qq+AK. I think I need to 4 bet this guy and let it go if he shoves.
Preflop:Standard raise, calling a 3 bet is dumb? But at the same time I was hoping that my position would give me enough of an advantage to play this hand correctly.
Flop: Such a small bet gives me decent odds to call, but against my initial preflop range even without including JJ , my equity is 30% or 2.3:1 thus he is laying me 3.7 I have to call here.
Turn: Since I still have no idea where I am I give up.
After thinking for a while I thinking giving up early and dumping a better hand is a smaller mistake then go forward in this case.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP2 ($5.95)
Hero (MP3) ($5.20)
CO ($5.30)
Button ($6.05)
SB ($5.90)
BB ($11.06)
UTG ($4.95)
UTG+1 ($5)
MP1 ($5.22)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A , K
4 folds, Hero bets $0.20, 3 folds, BB raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.40
Flop: ($1.22) 8 , J , 7 (2 players)
BB bets $0.45, Hero calls $0.45
Turn: ($2.12) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $1.25, Hero folds
Total pot: $2.12 | Rake: $0.10
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OhioRounder
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Just when you thought a 115 hands was a decent sample, I give you this link - http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...25&postcount=7
As for the hand, PF is fine. What a weak ass flop bet though. Any reads on betting patterns? Not sure why you have to think about folding the turn. If you wanted to take it down or see a free river, raise the flop. 
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!Luck
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Full House
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Yeah, I am tempted to reraise to 125 but is building a huge pot where I am way behind. How often is that weak flop bet mean that he really is weak?
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OhioRounder
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Originally Posted by !Luck
How often is that weak flop bet mean that he really is weak?
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Yeah, that's the problem. It's player/read dependent. Pay attention to the game. Look for betting patterns. Don't bloat the pot here by raising. If it wasn't a 3bet pot, I might consider raising the flop, but that's only if I know he's capable of laying it down. Someone may have different advice, but as played is fine IMO.
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surviva316
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depending on villain's 3b number, folding preflop really can't be too bad. 26/3's are just sooo much more likely to flat hands that we dominate, even if they are OOP, so we're like never winning a big pot unless we have some sort of read on him that he's a huge spewtard who will stack off with JJ on a K-high flop or something. i can only really see flatting here being great if we are doing it with the intention of floating.
similarly, if we put him on a range of 99+, AK, then flatting this flop doesn't make much sense (again unless we're doing it with the intention of floating). either he has us beat (99+), or we're headed for a split at showdown (AK), so it's a bluff or fold spot.
in other words, i'm fine with folding all 3 streets.
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Erpel
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I like folding as well. AKo is a power house - but it's not unbeatable. 3 is his PFR frequency. It's not his 3bet frequency. While he can certainly have random shit in there it is overwhelmingly likely that he only 3bets AA/KK. The question then becomes if he can fold AA/KK. If this was not a 3bet pot Td9d would maybe be in your range and the flop would be super scary and you might be able to bluff him off AA/KK.
Say that again - bluff him off AA/KK.
If your profit in the hand is contingent on your ability to bluff him off AA/KK your best move is probably an early fold.
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You're not bluffing anyone off of shit.
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!Luck
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Full House
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Yeah that was awful bet.
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brickmason13
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High Card
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A K is way behind lots of hands and a coin toss in many others !!! I make a tremendious amount of money in cash games with the lags and fish drawing with all ins and me holding small pairs...
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brickmason13
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High Card
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A K is way behind lots of hands and a coin toss in many others !!! I make a tremendious amount of money in cash games with the lags and fish drawing with all ins and me holding small pairs...
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xX zorrito Xx
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raise or fold the flop...
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