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Old 05-05-2010, 07:32 AM     Post subject: Ak 101 #1 (permalink)  
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Okay so here's the situation: I'm multi-tabling 10NL with an aggro villain sitting in 3 of my tables. He's running about 27/23/4.5 over 200~ hands. So far both of us have an extremely aggro history with me 3betting/4betting him loads (with good hands, really) with him mostly folding. We stacked off once on the flop already where I won the pot. He definitely sees me as a maniac at this point and I haven't slowed down. Come the key hand, I am holding AKo in the small blind.

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CO ($11)
Button ($8.80)
Hero (SB) ($23.45)
BB ($10.40)
UTG ($19.85)
MP ($19.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, K
2 folds, CO bets $0.40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.20, 1 fold, CO raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $23.45 (All-In), CO calls $7.50 (All-In)


What do you guys do here taking into consideration our rather violent history? I find calling bad here being OOP so it's either fold or shove. With my read I thought I made the right play (he could be tilting, 4betting light due to history, just overall agitated with my image).


What is the general consensus of playing AK preflop at this level? I generally play it pretty aggressively with exceptions against tighter players and it's by far the hand that has lost me the most $$$ to date.



Somewhat related question: how do you check a player's 3bet/4bet stats in PT3? I can't seem to find it under "details."
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Old 05-05-2010, 08:40 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 i think this hand's fine given the history. can't help you with the PT3 question because i use HEM but preflop 3bet/4bets stats would make this hand a lot easier. does 4.5 refer to his 3bets preflop?
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the 4.5 value refers to villain's aggression factor.
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Given history, hand played is fine.

Now for your AK question. As with about 99.9% of everything in poker, it depends. It depends on your position, whether someone has raised before you, what their stats are, what your image is, whether you think theyre paying attention to your image, etc.

Example: You have AsKc UTG and raise to 4bb, a 11/9 with a 2% 3bet over 400 hands 3bets you from the CO. You should probably just fold. You don't want to stack off pre since his range is going to wtf pwn you pretty much always. You can call, but its going to get you in some bad spots postflop since if you hit an A or K he's going to slow down with his JJ/QQ, and if he has AA and a K hits the flop you're going to lose a decent bit of your stack, if not all of it. Same deal with KK, he's not going to be too committed once an A hits the flop.

You have AKs UTG, a 33/21 with a 17% 3bet over 170 hands 3bets you OTB. You can easily 4bet/get it in here unless you have a read he only stacks off with nut hands pre. Then you can call and rape his AJ or w/e he's 3betting you with when an A binks.

You have AKo IP, a 12/9 with a 27% steal (shows you that he's probably positionally aware) over 277 hands raises UTG. Typically just call this since his 4bet/all in range is going to be weighted heavily towards KK+. If you call, you keep in AQ, 77+, etc in his range and can extract at value from a lot of his range. Obviously you should still be leery of stacking off post usually.

I think you get the point of how who you're playing, position, etc changes how you should play the hand. Just pay attention to the action and everything else around you, think about the different spots and you should be able to figure it out pretty quickly.
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Old 05-05-2010, 11:54 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 I'm not good or anything, but I'm never shoving preflop with AKo unless my opponent's range is so wide I know it's highly likely he has nothing.
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Old 05-07-2010, 12:26 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I'm not good or anything, but I'm never shoving preflop with AKo unless my opponent's range is so wide I know it's highly likely he has nothing.
Pretty sure the point of shoving was because he didn't want to play OOP against this guy, and his hand was too strong to fold preflop in this scenario (Given villain history).
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