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ArcadianRock

03-11-2009, 08:00 PM Post subject: AJ scared

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Full Tilt Poker Game #11085649683: Table White (6 max) - $0.01/$0.02 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:57:34 ET - 2009/03/11
Seat 1: dlg780 ($1.32)
Seat 2: kollegeoky ($1.95)
Seat 3: Sweetcheeks1235 ($2.18)
Seat 4: manjola1 ($1.31)
Seat 5: Coeus0 ($1.19)
Seat 6: SouL 777 SeeKer ($0), is sitting out
manjola1 posts the small blind of $0.01
Coeus0 posts the big blind of $0.02
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sweetcheeks1235 [Jd Ah]
dlg780 folds
kollegeoky calls $0.02
Sweetcheeks1235 raises to $0.08
manjola1 has 15 seconds left to act
manjola1 folds
Coeus0 folds
kollegeoky calls $0.06
*** FLOP *** [As 6s Qc]
kollegeoky has 15 seconds left to act
kollegeoky checks
Sweetcheeks1235 bets $0.16
kollegeoky calls $0.16
*** TURN *** [As 6s Qc] [8h]
kollegeoky checks
Sweetcheeks1235 bets $0.36
kollegeoky calls $0.36
*** RIVER *** [As 6s Qc 8h] [Kc]
kollegeoky checks
Sweetcheeks1235 checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Sweetcheeks1235 shows [Jd Ah] a pair of Aces
kollegeoky mucks
Sweetcheeks1235 wins the pot ($1.15) with a pair of Aces
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.23 | Rake $0.08
Board: [As 6s Qc 8h Kc]
Seat 1: dlg780 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: kollegeoky mucked [4h Ac] - a pair of Aces
Seat 3: Sweetcheeks1235 (button) showed [Jd Ah] and won ($1.15) with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: manjola1 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Coeus0 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: SouL 777 SeeKer is sitting out

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Keith

03-11-2009, 08:12 PM

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converted - but whats the question?
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UTG ($1.32)
MP ($1.95)
Hero (Button) ($2.18)
SB ($1.31)
BB ($1.19)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J

, A

1 fold, MP calls $0.02, Hero bets $0.08, 2 folds, MP calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.19) A

, 6

, Q

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.16, MP calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.51) 8

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.36, MP calls $0.36

River: ($1.23) K

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $1.23 | Rake: $0.08

JKDS

03-11-2009, 08:25 PM

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i like betting a bit more on the turn, like .44 or so. Im iffy about the river. Checking is always 0 ev, but i think betting might have some value. I think some weaker aces and some weird queens might still call a river bet of like .7 (though this leaves an awkward amount left in his stack), but then again, there are likely some draws in here that just improved. Really though, i dont think checking the river is a huge mistake, at worst its a small one.

edit: of course reads and a question might be necessary to give any further advice

Quote:

Originally Posted by OngBonga

But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.

ArcadianRock

03-11-2009, 08:49 PM

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I don't like asking a question before I post the hand up because I don't want to lead anyone to conclusions as that can change interpretations.

Sorry, forgot to convert. I was inbetween hands when I posted this.

He did have a small A, actually I was afraid he finished a straight or maybe hit a twopair and that's why he hadn't given up with all the high cards coming.

The check was the question I had whether it was wise to just do that or raise one last street because I knew he was going to call it.

xpaand

03-11-2009, 09:20 PM

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I would've raised a bit on the river. If you give him a range of 11%, then add Aces with weak kickers, you get about 20% (is that reasonable). Assuming that's a good range to put him on, you have 62% equity. Question (cause I honestly am not sure): how much should you bet with that equity?

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If I bet as a bluff, I should be thinking "am I getting better hands to fold? Is it likely that he will fold x% of the time to a y sized bet to make it +EV?". If I bet for value, I should be thinking "am I getting worst hands to call? Am I ahead of enough of his range that this is a good value bet?".

ArcadianRock

03-11-2009, 09:29 PM

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I'd imagine 62% if you're going by that.

xpaand

03-11-2009, 09:52 PM

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03-11-2009, 10:14 PM

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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($1.32)
MP ($1.95)
Hero (Button) ($2.18)
SB ($1.31)
BB ($1.19)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J

, A

1 fold, MP calls $0.02, Hero bets $0.08, 2 folds, MP calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.19) A

, 6

, Q

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.16, MP calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.51) 8

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.36, MP calls $0.36

River: ($1.23) K

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero ???

right , thats how to post the hand and ask the question . Go up and edit the result bit so that people can advise on the best thing to do in the situation you found yourself.

JKDS

03-11-2009, 11:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xpaand

hard to say. we expect to win 62% of the time if we just check it down. But how often is a bet going to be +EV? If he only calls an all in bet with hands that beat us, then betting that much is obviously -ev. not betting means everything continues but we dont get any value out of weaker hands that might call anyway. So we need to find some kind of middle ground where we bet an amount that gets us a call from enough weak hands to justify losing money to stronger ones. For instance,

Say his range is {KQ, A3, and 75}. This is clearly way over simplified and is in no way is exact range. This is just being used for the purposes of this example. He checks, so we decide to......

well...crap. what we do? If we bet, he folds all combos of 75 (no option to reraise). But he may call with KQ, and A3. 9 possible KQ hands, and 6 possible A3 hands (again, no option to reraise). Because of the 75 hand, we were ahead of his checking range (72% equity), but without this hand calling a bet, we are now BEHIND his calling range (47% equity). How do we then proceed?

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But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.

Outlaw

03-12-2009, 01:32 AM

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Villain has given no reason to think you are behind here... bet 50% at least on river for value. The only hands you are afraid of have you crushed anyways.. and they bet out on the river because they are afraid of not making anymore dough with their monster.

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03-12-2009, 01:51 AM

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i don't mind a river check, but a river bet would certainly be much more optimal. weaker aces will still be paying you off

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03-12-2009, 03:35 AM

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with such a passive line from villian im very confident we are ahead and bet out 1/3-1/5 pot on the river..

such a line says weak made hand who just wanted to get to the showdown, or draw. with a second call on the turn i really dont want to see a flush draw complete on the river (a lot of people in micro stakes love suited cards).

i would think twice if he suddenly bet out on the river and would really think as to whether or not to call based on the odds villian gives us.

However with another check you should bet out for value with a lot of confidence.

ArcadianRock

03-12-2009, 03:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

, A

1 fold, MP calls $0.02, Hero bets $0.08, 2 folds, MP calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.19) A

, 6

, Q

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.16, MP calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.51) 8

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.36, MP calls $0.36

River: ($1.23) K

Thanks, I'll have to do that from now on.

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03-12-2009, 02:59 PM

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Yeah I'm always b/f 1/2pot adleast this river based on what information we have here, Vill could have alot of Qx, Ax (worse then our hand), Ksxs. Vill could catch his 2pair on the river here but most of the time your play would be +ev betting here against a station IMO.

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03-13-2009, 03:29 AM

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expecting him to pay us off with Kx or Qx is unreasonable on the river

I'd gaybet the river small and he's going to be happy to pay us off with Ax

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03-13-2009, 03:35 AM

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Check river behind, Ni Han.

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03-13-2009, 04:04 PM

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This looks to me to be a situation that depends on the stakes. At 2nl, some opponents actually will pay you off w/ Qx here. At 25nl, a reasonable river bet (1/2 pot or more) likely narrows your opponent's calling/raising range to where you won't get called by worse hands often enough to make it +EV and a ridiculously small bet might induce an observant opponent to raise big w/ a missed draw.

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03-13-2009, 09:33 PM

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I think I'm gonna value bet on the river. He;s been a station so far so I figure why not.

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