Originally Posted by jaytoi

Ok i just realised something. It might only be in a few circumstances but whatever.

Lets say we have a mid high pocket pair (88-TT) out of position, on a ragged flop (722 for arguments sake). We know villian is nitty and will check through without a pair. And lets say his whole range at this point is JQ. He has about 25 percent equity at this point, but will fold to any bet, and will never bet if checked to. Additionally, lets assume even if he catches he wont bet , it will be checked through, and we will check behind (for simplicity's sake). Wouldn't it be better at this point to bet, even if we aren't making a worse hand call or a better hand fold, because it's better to win the pot 100% of the time rather than 75 %?

Originally Posted by L_Clan_Sup3rMaN

Can't check behind OOP. Assuming you are the PFR since you are OOP, you will never be able to put someone on one specific hand (much less QJ for that matter) after one round of betting, especially PF. You will have to play your hand against his entire range for calling you IP PF and deduce his range down as the streets pass. With that being said, I think you answered your own question at the end.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

I'll answer a different question instead. Off of the top of my head, topics in order of how I would coach a standard BC 10nl'er if I knew they would work hard: Psychological Training, Introduction to EV and Equity, Basic EV calculations, Introduction to Value Betting, Common Themes in Value Betting, Introduction to [Semi-]Bluffing, Common Themes when [Semi-]Bluffing, The False Dichotomy of Value Betting vs Bluffing, Planning Hands, Introduction to Ranges, Card Removal and Patterns, Introduction to Hand Reading, Identifying Strong Weak and Balanced Ranges, Common Themes in Exploitative Play, Common Themes in Balanced Play, Advanced Introduction to Ranges, ISF's Theorem, Simple ISF's Theorem Applications, Intermediate ISF's Theorem Applications.

Originally Posted by JKDS

We bet so that villain will either make a mistake by calling, or a mistake by folding (or maybe even raising).

Originally Posted by surviva316

this situation isn't nearly as rare as many of the repliers seem to think it. we open OTB w 66 at a 6m table and 18/14 weaktight type villain in the BB flats. based on reads we put his range on PP's 22-JJ and broadways QJ+, but not AK, and he may or may not have SC's or Axs (we don't know for sure). the flop comes K72r. villain doesn't rebluff often and never does OOP (isn't going to float OOP or c/r w over+BDFD or anything), and he calls cbets with any 2nd pair hand or better. we're not sure how fast he'll play a flopped set.

so he calls with nothing worse and folds nothing better, but we're not getting any value out of our hand by checking it back. what possible advantage does checking have that we don't get from cbetting?

these situations are REALLY common when we're OOP too, especially against weaktight players and people who set mine too much. passing up on ANY expected value of turning our hand into a bluff when we're OOP and not going to get any value from it on future streets very often makes cbetting vastly superior