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Blackychan

09-16-2009, 10:13 AM Post subject: Aggro monkey blind wars - Deepstack bluff

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Long time reader, working on poker as my new job, posting my first hand. Don't be gentle, I have lots to learn.

6 Max 25NL. My image over about 40 hands is very loose and aggressive, raising nearly every button and CO. BB is loose aggressive, from what I've seen so far a somewhat thinking reg running at 33/31, with an AFreq of 55%, 25% 3b, 75% cbet and a fold to steal of only 50% in the BB. My sample size on him is fairly small, 40 hands but I've seen him make a few good/aggressive plays and folds. Hes 49.8$ deep and I have him covered.

SB Hero ($55.43)
BB ($49.80)
UTG ($9.33)
CO ($24.65)
BTN ($36.80)

Dealt to Hero K

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BB raises to $2.25

Considering how aggressive this opponent is, my own lag image and the fact it is blind on blind I think he is doing this 3bet with a much wider range than normal. I decide to 4B as a bluff on the smallish side, as I'm expecting to fold his air/weak range regardless.

Hero raises to $6, BB calls $3.75

FLOP ($12) Q

BB flats, which is something entirely unexpected. If I had bluffed into the top of his range, considering my own image, I'm sure he would shove AA,KK,QQ and probably AK (also because at these stakes nobody 4Bs light ever). Because he folds his air and weak dominated hands to the 4B, I think he has a hand he likes but is not willing to felt, perhaps a set mine (since we so deep) or a mid pocket pair in the 88-JJ range. He also might flat AK, AQ, and a small chance of some sort of suited connector.

Hero checks, BB bets $6, Hero raises to $15

There is 18$ in the pot after he bets. I think due to how aggro he is and my flop check that he is betting this flop with 100% of his range, as he seems to like to cbet too much. My logic is that by re-raising to 15$, I'm repping quite a monster of a hand on this board, and I think the large majority of his set mining/mid pockets range folds to this, also considering the implied threat my RR has for our deep stacks. Also my bluff only needs to work slightly less than 50% of the time for this check raise bluff to be profitable. I certainly feel I have no equity in this hand. If he shoves or calls my plan for the hand is to fold. My check raise is for bluff value against his cbet monkey tendencies considering his 4B flat range here. (I think the range he continues on this flop is very narrow).

A couple of questions for this hand:

Is my RR too small? How much do you think a larger RR will accomplish given the range I have villain on? Does the smallish RR make flatting a hand like TT likely from him?
How much worse does the 2 club board make this bluff?
What sort of range would you assign given reads and stats on villan?
How does our deep stacks influence the EV of my play here? I don't have enough deepstack experience.
Should I do anything but c/f if he calls?
Am I being a spewmonkey?

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daven

09-16-2009, 10:33 AM

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get a better seat

also, fold pre.

don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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Blackychan

09-16-2009, 11:02 AM

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Nice point about the seating, having a lag with position on you most of the time is going to just get yourself into lots of trouble. I was worried I might be trying to level myself into a bunch of spew vs his loose play, this seems to be the case. (esp OOP).

09-16-2009, 12:06 PM

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no shit he's gonna flat a 4b you're 200BB deep and he's in position
he would only felt KK+ for value
OPENFOLD K8o

Blackychan

09-16-2009, 12:27 PM

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I'll try post a less stupid hand next time, thanks for the input. Not a spot I need to be getting into clearly.

Jack Sawyer

09-16-2009, 12:37 PM

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Great avatar.

The problem with this hand is you act first preflop and first on every consecutive street. Its a very disadvantageous spot to be in without a good made hand or draw.

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09-16-2009, 04:58 PM

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well we're only 40 hands in, so all those nice little stats you have on villain are like meh. but let's go on the assumption that all these stats are over like 400 hands:

- don't steal OOP with a hand like K8o when villain is a LAgg who's capable of 3b bluffing the hell out of you in bvb's

- good job choosing between 4b or fold to the 3b because those are obviously your only two options. that being said, given the fact that it's 200bb's, i think you're sincerely underestimating how wide his flatting range is to your 4b. so you're prolly better off just folding and changing seats.

- if your analysis on the flop is that he has a lot of set mining mid pairs that you can try and fold out profitably, then why not just cbet? surely you don't think that villain is raising/floating this flop very often with that range and c/raising maximizes his profits with his non bluffing range.

that being said, as i alluded to earlier, it isn't the case that his range is like 88+, AK, so you can pretty much ignore that entire last paragraph (in other words, there are a lot of draws and backdoor draws+pair and all those type of hands that ARE going to bluff back at your cbet in his range).

don't be embarrassed about posting this hand or anything, though. 1) that's what we're here for, and if all you did was post your ballin ass bluffs and hero calls, then you'd never learn anything and 2) you're far from the only person in the BC who knows everything there is to know about how to play in 3b/4b pots and what ranges to put regs on in those spots (*ahem* i'm certainly one of them *ahem*)

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Blackychan

09-16-2009, 07:39 PM

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Thanks for the really helpful and in-depth reply surviva, its really appreciated.

I think lots of beginners really struggle in 3/4b pots and playing in deepstack confrontations (often I just leave a table if I double up just to avoid those situations)

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