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jyms
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08-11-2007, 08:07 PM
Post subject: AF or AFQ??
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why??
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wufwugy
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HUDs rule. I only use vpip/pfr really. Great way to rudimentarily identify types of players.
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jyms
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Yea, I love my hud. I'm just trying to decide if I should switch to frequency from AF.
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bode
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im just used to AF, and dont really ever look at frequency.
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Chopper
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with the hud's, i only watch vpip, pfr, AF, and WtSD.
WtSD helps compliment AF. if the AF is high, and so is the WtSD, i know i cant bump him off a pot by "playing back."
if the AF is high, but the SD is low...i know he is doing the bumping, and therefore, may fold off when i hit him with a raise.
and, even by watching those........my specific reads are much better help. the numbers are great for "trending" a player, and giving me initial ranges...but thats about it. they dont help much by the river.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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Miffed22001
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my vote is pretty obvious.
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spoonitnow
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AF, but only because I'm used to it.
If my understanding is correct, it gives the same information just as a ratio instead of a percentage? Or am I wrong?
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
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Rule # 1: don't ask questions
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Geanosssss
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How many players at low stakes actually use HUD's??
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wufwugy
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I personally think that anything beyond vpip and pfr is pointless. Maybe you might be able to perhaps get some value at some point with other stats, but maybe you might get possibly misled as well.
HUD is for very broad generalizations. vpip and pfr provide that, and you won't get a better idea about how somebody plays latter streets without shitload of hands on them, but by that time you should already know and not be using HUD for them at all anyways.
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wufwugy
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I imagine that a good percentage of nits and tagfish do, and then the obvious winning players. I don't think there's that many nits and tagfish at 50 and below.
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Chopper
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
I imagine that a good percentage of nits and tagfish do, and then the obvious winning players. I don't think there's that many nits and tagfish at 50 and below.
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i beg to differ. i feel that any TAG is a crappy TAG, myself included. otherwise, they would be playing higher up.
and, any tight-passives are nits...or set-hunters (which to me is the same thing...afraid to play real poker with a mix of hands).
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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wufwugy
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You're probably right. I'm just guessing.
My guess stems from the how they get the idea to nit or tagfish in the first place. It seems those styles are learned from forums and books, and thats where you learn about HUDs, and that's where you learn about massive multitabling with HUDs.
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spoonitnow
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My HUD shows AF by street, SB/BB fold to steal %'s, attempt to steal blinds % and cbet%/fold to cbet%, in addition to VP$P/PFR/Total Hands. This is the information I like to have at hand when assessing players at full ring.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Halv
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AFQ because it's not dependent on how much he calls. Example: on the flop villain 1 bets/raises 50%, calls 25%, folds 25%. AF = 2, AFQ = 50. Villain 2 bets/raises 40%, calls 10% folds 40%, AF = 4, AFQ = 40. I don't think villain 2 should be considered twice as aggressive as villain 1.
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by Geanosssss
How many players at low stakes actually use HUD's??
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the answer should be: zero. However it isnt, which i feel will slow players advancement later on...
this why im waiting for all ther german nitfish to move to 200nl on party so i can rape them by opening an uncommon range if i play 18/15...
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