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Big Dazz

07-01-2007, 06:12 PM Post subject: Advice with this one please

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Join Date: Mar 2006

Location: Portsmouth, England

Posts: 45

Hi all. Youre gonna be hearing from me quit a bit over the next few weeks as Im on holiday for the summer and im trying to plug a few leaks.

So heres one of those "i havent got a freaking clue what to do, but im gonna keep my fingers crossed anyways" hands.

Bet365 $10 very loose table with lots of chasers flop turn and river. I need some advice on how to play when a flush hits the board. Tell me if and where I played well (if any. . .

) and where I played badly.

Criticize please. . .

Game ID 1473498593 starting - 2007-07-01 15:33:54
** Trainspotting [Hold 'em] (0.05|0.10 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Hero sitting in seat 1 with $12.10 [Dealer]
- Bus sitting in seat 2 with $8.30
- bo_ sitting in seat 3 with $1.94 [Sitting out]
- start sitting in seat 4 with $2.09
- ej sitting in seat 5 with $9.90
- Sir_ sitting in seat 6 with $7.75
- Mudd sitting in seat 7 with $8.65
- wang sitting in seat 8 with $4.45
- kim sitting in seat 9 with $3.00
- ODsitting in seat 10 with $21.24

Bus posted the small blind - $0.05
start posted the big blind - $0.10

** Dealing card to Hero: Jack of Hearts, Ace of Clubs
ej called - $0.10
Sir_ called - $0.10
Mudd folded
wang called - $0.10
kim folded
OD called - $0.10
Hero raised - $1.00
Bus folded
start folded
ej called - $1.00
Sir_ called - $1.00
wang folded
OD called - $1.00

** Dealing the flop: King of Spades, 8 of Spades, Ace of Spades
ej checked
Sir_ checked
OD checked
Hero bet - $2.00
ej called - $2.00
Sir_ folded
OD called - $2.00

** Dealing the turn: 3 of Hearts
ej checked
OD checked
Hero checked

** Dealing the river: 6 of Diamonds
ej checked
OD checked
Hero checked
ej shows: King of Diamonds, Queen of Clubs
OD mucks: Queen of Diamonds, Queen of Spades
Hero shows: Jack of Hearts, Ace of Clubs
Hero wins $9.95 from the main pot

PS - this shows why not to limp a big pair. . . . right!!

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Pelion

07-01-2007, 06:17 PM

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I think your PFR is a little too big. Turn check is ok but if you check the turn you can value bet the river. Somewhere around half pot is probably good.

Also

Quote:

Location: Portsmouth

fold preflop.

gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

bigspenda73: But how much did you win?

Unibomber14

07-01-2007, 11:29 PM

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I agree that the PFR is too big. I like $o.60-$0.70, and you will probably get the same action. Most any time that a three flush is checked flop and turn, I would bet the turn, and if no one raises, I bet the river too.

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DarnGoodPoker

07-14-2007, 10:53 PM

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Join Date: May 2007

Posts: 25

I bet this river when checked to closer to never.
Nothing you beat will call you, and you can't call a check/raise. I would be happy to take this pot down as played.

Disclaimer, at this level it is highly probable that an ace lower kicker may call a value bet,
AND,
it is not probable that a player with a made flush will check to you looking for a bluff on the river.

General rule of thumb: Don't bet a medium strength hand on the river. IMO, that's what this hand is.

Chopper

07-14-2007, 11:00 PM

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Straight Flush

Join Date: Dec 2005

Location: St. Louis, MO

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have you guys forgotten the OP says "VERY loose table preflop w/ lots of chasers?"

it may take that kind of raise to narrow the field off having everybody call. besides, it still went 4 ways...hardly favorable for AJo.

and they are right, value betting here only gets calls from total donkeys. which, if they are there, do it by all means.

but, typically, the only thing calling your bets here on the river should be beating you badly.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

sejje

07-15-2007, 06:11 AM

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Full House

Join Date: Mar 2005

Posts: 883

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarnGoodPoker

Nothing you beat will call you, and you can't call a check/raise.

I think at least three hands we beat are calling here: A8, A9, AT

Big Dazz

07-16-2007, 03:46 PM

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Join Date: Mar 2006

Location: Portsmouth, England

Posts: 45

Hi- thanks for your input.

Quote:

I think your PFR is a little too big.

This is my standard - BBx5 +10c for very limper.

Quote:

I didnt want this action - i wanted less callers. So I needed a bigger raise.
So I bet the turn and bet the river and get raised AI. One thing to realise is that players at these levels suffer badly from FPS - so my primary concern was the made flush slow playing me.

Quote:

I think at least three hands we beat are calling here: A8, A9, AT

Agreed - but they would have lead the flop, called my raise and checked to the river.

Reading through some articles recently, it seems as you only value bet the river if you think you have the best hand. I was beat all kinds of hands - 2 pair, sets, etc. So not too sure if i have the best hand whats my options? Heres how i saw it during the 15 seconds i had to make a decision:

bluff bet takes it down = good play
check (check-raise defense) and takes it down = good play
check (check-raise defense) and loses = good play
Vaue bet - gets called and wins = good play
bluff bet - gets called and loses = bad play
bluff bet- gets raised and folds = bad play
value bet - gets called and loses = bad play
value bet gets raised and folds = bad play

cheers

pgil

07-16-2007, 04:07 PM

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Full House

Join Date: Jun 2005

Posts: 1,103

we don't beat A8

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bigspenda73

07-16-2007, 04:18 PM

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Straight Flush

Join Date: Jul 2006

Location: Pwnsylvania

Posts: 7,545

bigspenda73 will become famous soon enough

PFR size is fine but the hand you're doing it with is not. I hate AJ in a multiway pot and if you don't even think this will narrow the field it could be best just to limp behind.

I like the check down after the flop as players play AQ/AK weakly at this level and if they aren't going to build the pot with a big hand we sure as hell shouldn't do it for them.

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