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08-16-2010, 01:51 PM
Post subject: adjusting from fr to 6max
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Full House
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About to start playing 6max. Need some idea of appropriate starting ranges. I appreciate that your starting hand range from any given position needs to be somewhat fluid but it's nice to get an idea of somewhere to start and then adjust from. So assume I'm sitting at a table with no stats on anyone yet.
My initial thoughts were as follows, please comment:
utg raising: 66+, ATs+, AJ+, KQs, KQo.
then loosening up as I gain position until
Button raising (if folded to or one limper): 45s+ 79s+ 22+, Ax, Kx, Q9s+, J8s+, any 2 face cards
Am I way out in todays 6max games or is that a reasonable starting point to then adjust from in game depending on reads?
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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
hey guys, if you ever make a snap call on the river when your opponent raises you're fucking retarded.
Fucking. Retarded.
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Donachello
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personally, I open all PP utg and probably not ATs. However, as I got more comfortable with 6m I started opening more questionable hands like QJ, JTs, etc. as long as you have the understanding that you are probably not playing them for TP value that often.
On the button (obviously it depends on who is in the blinds etc.) but I'll almost be opening every suited hand Jxs+ and suited semi-connectors T6s etc. As well as unsuited stuff like T9o, 89o. Granted I currently run at like 25/21 or something and all of this is totally contingent on your opponents and how confident you are with your postflop hand reading ability. gl in the move
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[00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
[00:30] <DC> daven
[00:30] <DC> on my hand?
[00:30] <daven> yep
[00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
[00:30] <daven> nice reason
[00:30] <daven> no further questions
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I'd fold ATs and maybe KQo UTG without any reads, open all PP's.
For opening the BTN I've got a similar range except very weak Kx. Against a limper I'd iso a tighter range than that until I have better reads on what they are limping with + how they play postflop (so dump weak Ax and Kx and Q9s/J8s).
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parislad
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@ 25NL I'll usually open 76o on the BTN vs ABC types but would only be opening ATs utg in a very tight game.
Avoid the mistake I did and think that every 3bet is a bluff just because its 6max, you'll soon be corrected.
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Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups
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spoonitnow
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FR + 3 ppl folded = 6m
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Full House
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
FR + 3 ppl folded = 6m
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I was thinking this initially, is it literally that simple?
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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
hey guys, if you ever make a snap call on the river when your opponent raises you're fucking retarded.
Fucking. Retarded.
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parislad
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since you play more pots in less time in 6max you'll develop a dynamic quicker imo
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Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups
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kfaess
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UTG as a standard I open all PP's, A9s+, AJo+, KQs, KQo, any suited broadway, T9s, 98s. Obviously I adjust this to table conditions.
Your BU range looks pretty good but Axo and Kxo are trash hands. I open like A7o+ and no Kxo, any Axs, and like K7s+. You can also add T9o and 98o to the range you gave in the OP if you want.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by DanAronG
I was thinking this initially, is it literally that simple?
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Yes.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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rpm
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Originally Posted by kfaess
UTG as a standard I open all PP's, A9s+, AJo+, KQs, KQo, any suited broadway, T9s, 98s. Obviously I adjust this to table conditions.
Your BU range looks pretty good but Axo and Kxo are trash hands. I open like A7o+ and no Kxo, any Axs, and like K7s+. You can also add T9o and 98o to the range you gave in the OP if you want.
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below what card value does it become "x"? ie on the BU what's the lowest offsuit card you will raise with a king?
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Full House
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I played my first 6m session last nigh, only $2nl, without a doubt the fishiest games I've ever played, and Kx is totally in my button raising range, but maybe not with a limper.
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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
hey guys, if you ever make a snap call on the river when your opponent raises you're fucking retarded.
Fucking. Retarded.
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dranger7070
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lol
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kfaess
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Originally Posted by rpm
below what card value does it become "x"? ie on the BU what's the lowest offsuit card you will raise with a king?
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KT or maybe K9. I guess Kx would be K9 and below since KT is a hand that has two broadways so if someone says all broadways no Kx then that would mean KT+
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Full House
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I recommend anyone who plays low stakes full ring to switch over to 6max.
There are two/three reasons for this:
1. Players are awful, but due to fewer players, everyone has to play more hands, and therefore they make more mistakes for you to capitalise on. So if you are thinking correctly, you can exploit the shit out of them.
2. You have to pay more attention at 6max, which for me hs lead to me dropping down the number of tables I'm playing, and that has lead to me really thinking about ranges of each player, and how I can exploit that, which in itself allows you to play even more hands, as those playing tight can be bullied and those playing super loose (90/60 or 80/20 isn't unusual) can be played back against with a wider range of hands for value.
3. Due to all of the above it is a lot more entertaining and interesting.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
hey guys, if you ever make a snap call on the river when your opponent raises you're fucking retarded.
Fucking. Retarded.
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