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AFchung
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03-26-2009, 01:47 AM
Post subject: AA vs nit. Slow down or 3 streets of value?
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: UCLA
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12/9 over 33 hands
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop
Hero (UTG) ($25.95)
MP ($38.55)
CO ($16.20)
Button ($26.45)
SB ($55.50)
BB ($28.55)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with A , A
Hero bets $1, 3 folds, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold
Flop: ($2.25) J, 10, 6 (2 players)
SB bets $1.50, Hero raises to $5, SB calls $3.50
Turn: ($12.25) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $9, SB calls $9
River: ($30.25) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10.95 (All-In)
Total pot: $30.25 | Rake: $1.45
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kfaess
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03-26-2009, 02:14 AM
Post subject: Re: AA vs nit. Slow down or 3 streets of value?
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Flush
Join Date: Jul 2008
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I like the flop raise on such a drawy board.
I like the large turn bet.
What hands are there that you beat that can also call your river bet? His FD's bricked, AK probly didn't make it to the river, QQ may be scared of the king depending on how good he is.
On the other hand he has already put in more than half the effective stacks so maybe QQ and a jack would call that bet.
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AFchung
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03-26-2009, 02:17 AM
Post subject: Re: AA vs nit. Slow down or 3 streets of value?
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Full House
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Originally Posted by kfaess
What hands are there that you beat that can also call your river bet? His FD's bricked, AK probly didn't make it to the river, QQ may be scared of the king depending on how good he is.
On the other hand he has already put in more than half the effective stacks so maybe QQ and a jack would call that bet.
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i was contemplating just checking the river with that exact line of thinking, but when i looked at how much money i had left behind in comparison to how much was in the pot, i figured i could get value from a J or QQ
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kevin2311
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Join Date: Mar 2009
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i hate when players play like that noone plays odds they jsut hope they hit
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kevin2311
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Join Date: Mar 2009
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i dont really like slow playing aces because if you let someone else catch you have to ask your self how dumb do i feel wasting aces and will i fold them if he hit.
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kevin2311
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Join Date: Mar 2009
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and if you realize your not going to fold them why slow play why not et before they catch and earn your chips
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kfaess
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Flush
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Originally Posted by kevin2311
and if you realize your not going to fold them why slow play why not et before they catch and earn your chips
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holy fucking shit you just spammed the entire BC with completely useless posts...
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texa8
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Straight
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Melbourne Australia
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i like your bet sizings on the flop and turn.. i think the river is pretty standard and i probably play the same way.
However.. if i had more behind me i think im checking this river.
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ColdDecked
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Straight
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You set yourself up for a river shove, and I don't think the villain will check a big hand on the river with $10.95 left and a $30.25 pot. It just doesn't make sense. I say shove here since you'll be laying the villain 4:1 to his money and the betting is consistent with QQ, a big J, or KQhh here. All of those hands may pay you off when you're giving him 4:1 odds.
I usually like to try to keep pots small on wet boards with aces, so I might check the turn here for pot control. I don't like committing myself to a river shove if a flush or straight card comes, but maybe that's just me being too conservative.
As played, however, I shove the river.
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if he calls the turn with Jx he is calling the river 100% guaranteed or he's bad
like REALLY bad
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
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so no one is mentioning what having the Ah means?
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texa8
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Straight
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Location: Melbourne Australia
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Im really not too experienced with ranges but trying to think more about them.. but with that being said:
what do we think villains calling range on the river here is if we shove? AQo seems a little dubious.. very bad if villain got there with that..
34 games 0.005 secs 6,800 games/sec
Board: Jh Td 6h 8c Kc
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.000% 50.00% 00.00% 17 0.00 { AdAh }
Hand 1: 50.000% 50.00% 00.00% 17 0.00 { QQ, AQs+, KQs, QJs, JTs, AQo-AJo, JTo }
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kfaess
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Flush
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
so no one is mentioning what having the Ah means?
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ahhh good point, so he can't have the nut flush draw here which i guess makes it more likely he'll call the river bet since that takes out some hands that would call flop/turn but not river.
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Vinland
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Full House
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IMO, given that you said he's a nit, I check the turn and even possibly the river.
I doubt he's on a FD...unless he called your PF bet with KhQh but he probably wouldnt call with less than that.
I think, by the turn he has TT+, AJ-AQ(for inside draw, although he prob wouldnt call AQ on the turn bet to hit it...)
I cant see what he's calling you with that you beat other than QQ or AJ...
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Gshark
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2009
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I agree with most of the posts here - good flop and turn bet, although him calling on the turn makes me a little wary. I think I might check behind on the river. If this guy missed his flush he's not calling your bet anyway and I can see him calling down with KK here.
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