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Old 02-03-2012, 05:22 PM     Post subject: AA vs fish 3 bet pot.. weird line. #1 (permalink)  
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 righto, villain is 48/16 over 31 fold to 3 bet 50% seen him donk call donk before with TP KT on K774 or something like that. I think my sizing is a bit wank 3 bet should be a little bigger and turn size is weird, Im lost by the river fish take the strangest lines.

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Stacks:
UTG ($11.66)
UTG+1 ($13.20)
MP1 ($14.75)
kick (MP2) ($10.46)
CO ($10.10)
BTN ($8.70)
SB ($4.44)
BB ($6.89)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 8 players) kick is MP2
UTG raises to $0.20, 2 folds, kick raises to $0.80, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.75, 2 players)
UTG bets $0.20, kick raises to $1.50, UTG calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.75, 2 players)
UTG bets $0.30, kick raises to $3.90, UTG calls $3.60

River: ($12.55, 2 players)
UTG bets $1.80, $1.8 to kick ($4.26)?
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:29 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Ship. KK and AQ probably can't fold with the pot odds
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:33 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I'm with ginger. I really think you're way ahead here. Micro-idiots take this line sometimes... it's usually a pathetic attempt at bluffing, but if it's not he'll call down with worse.
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:38 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Also GW, is it really appropriate to cite pot odds when analyzing a 48/16 at $10NL? I find it hard to believe that that concept is even on this guy's radar.
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:48 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Also GW, is it really appropriate to cite pot odds when analyzing a 48/16 at $10NL? I find it hard to believe that that concept is even on this guy's radar.
But he probably gets the $3 to win $20 is tempting idea (and pot odds is the formal name for that). People on poker sites generally understand odds as they are used to betting, even if they don't specifically think about pot odds.
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:19 PM #8 (permalink)  
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But he probably gets the $3 to win $20 is tempting idea (and pot odds is the formal name for that). People on poker sites generally understand odds as they are used to betting, even if they don't specifically think about pot odds.
Fair enough. I wasn't giving this guy even that much credit considering his silly turn bet and fishy stats. I tend to think this class of player is more in the mind of "TOP PAIR!!! B/C ALL THE STREETS!!!!" rather than considering the size of the bets or pot. The only deviation from that play is when there are 4 straights/flushes on the board.
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Old 02-05-2012, 06:42 PM #9 (permalink)  
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37 games 0.000 secs 7,400 games/sec

Board: Jc Qc 2s 9h 5d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.757% 56.76% 00.00% 21 0.00 { AcAh }
Hand 1: 43.243% 43.24% 00.00% 16 0.00 { QQ-JJ, 99, AQs, KQs, KTs, QTs+, AQo, KQo }


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Agree with bikes after stoving, though at first I thought just call, but this guy is calling most if not all of this river range with the pot odds he's getting against our shove. We're still ahead if we give villain 22, so yeah I can shove this happily.
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Old 02-06-2012, 07:13 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 folding would obviously be terrible cos calling is +EV (not the same as max-EV)
shoving is better than calling (go ahead, let him put you on AK) here cos AQ/KQ/KK don't fold and his line doesn't look like a set, especially when he doesn't shove river
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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