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liqourmaster
Old 02-27-2010, 08:57 AM     Post subject: AA & KK situation #1 (permalink)  
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Both on FTP rush poker, so tracker doesnt work, have to rely on manual notes. no notes on either villain.


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MP2 ($6.28)
MP3 ($12.21)
Hero (CO) ($10.25)
Button ($14.77)
SB ($10)
BB ($4.42)
UTG ($10.80)
Villain (UTG+1) ($9.08)
MP1 ($6.92)

Preflop: Hero is CO with ,
1 fold, Villain calls $0.10, 3 folds, Hero bets $0.45, 3 folds, Villain calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.05) , , (2 players)
Villain bets $0.20, Hero raises to $1.65, Villain raises to $6

Total pot: $4.35



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MP3 ($14.98)
CO ($4)
Hero (Button) ($10.20)
SB ($0.97)
BB ($8.61)
Villain (UTG) ($10.41)
UTG+1 ($4.06)
MP1 ($10.05)
MP2 ($10.79)

Preflop: Hero is Button with ,
Villain bets $0.35, 5 folds, Hero raises to $1.20, SB calls $0.92 (All-In), 1 fold, Villain calls $0.85

Flop: ($3.47) , , (3 players, 1 all-in)
Villain bets $2.50

Total pot: $3.47

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Hero (MP1) ($9.75)
MP2 ($10.60)
MP3 ($16.11)
CO ($16.80)
Villain (Button) ($7.61)
SB ($4.80)
BB ($17.30)
UTG ($4.39)
UTG+1 ($8.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with ,
2 folds, Hero bets $0.50, 3 folds, Villain calls $0.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.15) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, Villain raises to $2.10

Total pot: $2.55
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Old 02-27-2010, 09:34 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 02-27-2010, 06:25 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I'm getting it in on all three. Try posting some analysis if you want to use these posts to get better.
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Old 02-27-2010, 09:04 PM #4 (permalink)  
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sorry. what is this analysis and how do I go about to get it?
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Old 02-28-2010, 02:46 AM #5 (permalink)  
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sorry. what is this analysis and how do I go about to get it?
You don't GET it, you DO it. Put your opponent on a range, calculate your pot odds, calculate your equity and justify your actions:

Put your opponent on a goddamn range
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Old 02-28-2010, 03:54 AM #6 (permalink)  
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what do I do with unknown opponents? as is common in rush poker.
anyways

HAND1:
I put the bloke on 22-88 pf, trying to set mine, TJ, QJ, KJ also possible based on preflop action. based on postflop either 22,33, or KJ. my equity is 49.8%. therefore it's a call/rr AI.

HAND2:
Villain's pf raise is 77-JJ, AT+, KQ, calling my 3bet eliminates KQ, AT,AJ. Bets out RIGHT away on flop, so range could be 88-JJ, AQ, AK. equity is 85%. therefore raise.

HAND3:
Villain's pf range is 22-JJ, AK, AQs. Dont think it can be <AJ b/c 5bb is a damn big raise to cold call. postflop is 33, 88, TT, JJ.
equity is 40%. options are either call or fold, but leaning toward fold b/c villain has position.
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what do I do with unknown opponents? as is common in rush poker.
anyways

HAND1:
I put the bloke on 22-88 pf, trying to set mine, TJ, QJ, KJ also possible based on preflop action. based on postflop either 22,33, or KJ. my equity is 49.8%. therefore it's a call/rr AI.

HAND2:
Villain's pf raise is 77-JJ, AT+, KQ, calling my 3bet eliminates KQ, AT,AJ. Bets out RIGHT away on flop, so range could be 88-JJ, AQ, AK. equity is 85%. therefore raise.

HAND3:
Villain's pf range is 22-JJ, AK, AQs. Dont think it can be <AJ b/c 5bb is a damn big raise to cold call. postflop is 33, 88, TT, JJ.
equity is 40%. options are either call or fold, but leaning toward fold b/c villain has position.
That is the problem of Rush Poker... no reads

In absence of reads, it is not a bad idea for starters to assume your opponent would play just like you. Put yourself in his situation: what would YOU do if you were him?

Then you can adjust that to reflect the average rush poker player that day of the week at that time of the day. His stack size may give you a hint as well: is he winning or loosing?
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Old 02-28-2010, 04:23 AM #8 (permalink)  
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can we get a ban on rush poker hands in the BC? I'm not sure how much learning/improving one can do by playing rush instead of good ol' regular poker.

These hands are useless for discussion.
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Old 02-28-2010, 06:38 AM #9 (permalink)  
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can we get a ban on rush poker hands in the BC? I'm not sure how much learning/improving one can do by playing rush instead of good ol' regular poker.

These hands are useless for discussion.
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Old 03-01-2010, 05:14 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Old 03-01-2010, 05:59 PM #11 (permalink)  
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can we get a ban on rush poker hands in the BC? I'm not sure how much learning/improving one can do by playing rush instead of good ol' regular poker.

These hands are useless for discussion.
While it's fairly irrelevant since HEM and PT3 will soon develop a way to read who is at the tables from scanning memory and your HUDs will work, I very much disagree. Otherwise the next step is to ban all hands against unknowns, which is ridiculous.
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Old 03-01-2010, 06:45 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Otherwise the next step is to ban all hands against unknowns, which is ridiculous.
This. 99.9% of all hands played at 25nl- is against players you have less than a 500 hand sample against. just 'cause we don't know exactly what percent of the time they're VPIP'ing doesn't mean we can't put people on an approximate range and weight ranges a little bit based on actions and sizing and so forth.
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Old 03-01-2010, 06:54 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Old 03-03-2010, 04:12 PM #14 (permalink)  
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 I love playing rush poker mainly because it keeps me entertained for awhile. Like everyone said there's nothing you can do read wise so you just have to play your cards and assume your opponent would play a typical strategy.

I've been noticing a lot of huge bluffs with half or more of their stack in rush. I don't think that rush poker hands should be banned, but it's definitely a lot harder to judge what you should've done without being able to put your opponent on a range effectively.
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Old 03-03-2010, 06:52 PM #15 (permalink)  
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tried it out the other day, not a fan at all....
if you are in a hurry and looking to get alot of hands in in a short period of time then it's usefull
but honestly, I don't mind sitting back and relaxing and reading my opponents and playing a nice long game of poker.

however, i did notice ALOT of bluffers playing. Even some All-in bets with air. Seems like people are out to steal alot more then play.
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Old 03-03-2010, 09:07 PM #16 (permalink)  
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what do I do with unknown opponents? as is common in rush poker.
step 1 - update your tracker, the new versions have working HUDs for rush i think?
step 2 - if you're not comfortable playing against unknowns then quit rush


also - wtf at banning rush hands?!? shall we ban all hands against players we have less than 1k hands against next? Useful analysis can still occur, it's just gonna be less precise and more variance-ridden.

-> op, nice work on providing some analysis. Looks like you answered your own questions.
some comments:

hand 1 - provide a range that he is both calling pre-flop and donking flop. Your ranges are fine, these are what i would go with: Pre-flop 22-QQ/scs/broadways/Axs is a good start. Flop and his lead is crazy weak, but his 3b is a strong line. 22/33/23s/AJ/KJ/QJ/JT/J9s/A4s/JJ/QQ. Stove it and see.

hand 2 - range pre 22-AA, AK/AQ, donk flop pretty much sets/99+/AK/AQ and he's calling most of that if you shove. Overpairs, 3b pots, etc... sure, he has a set sometimes, but stove the range and enjoy the variance.

hand 3 - meh, he has like sets/top pair/overpairs and like 2 combos of T8s. Tough spot. What Tx hands doesn he have? If you're more of a nit then you fold, if you're less of a nit, then you call/shove any turn or 3b shove.
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