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Old 05-21-2010, 07:33 PM     Post subject: AA on BTN, 4bet or call? #1 (permalink)  
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Had played only a few hands with villain. Hadn't seen anything overly fishy.

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BB ($10)
UTG ($5.88)
MP1 ($10.05)
MP2 ($10)
CO ($14.88)
Hero (Button) ($10)
SB ($11.04)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A
UTG calls $0.10, 3 folds, Hero bets $0.45, SB raises to $1.20, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.60) 10, 9, 3 (2 players)
SB bets $1.95, Hero raises to $5, SB raises to $9.84 (All-In), Hero calls $3.80 (All-In)


My main question is regarding PF action. Villain 3bets OOP. I put their range at TT+, AQs, AK. Since I'm on the BTN, I'm thinking I don't mind seeing a flop.

On flop, villian bets out. Now I have their range at QQ-AA with the slight possibility of TT. It looks to me like villain is attached to their hand, so I 3bet. Sure enough, the money got AI.

How does it look? My main struggle is with the PF. My instinct is to get it AI PF. I'm not sure that's always the case if one is in position.
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:58 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Easy 4bet looking to get it all in preflop
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Old 05-21-2010, 08:03 PM #3 (permalink)  
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with no reads against a random here i think its best to 4bet about 2.5x his 3bet

but once you start getting stats and knowing if he's doing it lite, you can start flatting those 3bets when he is 3bet bluffing you, so you keep all his bluffs in.
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Old 05-21-2010, 08:11 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Easy 4bet looking to get it all in preflop
Also an easy call as we have AA.

OP, it really doesn't matter.. You shouldn't be doing either (calling or 4betting) with 100% frequency here against an unknown. Call some % of the time, and 4bet some % of the time
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Old 05-21-2010, 08:13 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Also an easy call as we have AA.

You shouldn't be doing either (calling or 4betting) with 100% frequency here against an unknown. Call some % of the time, and 4bet some % of the time
I guess this is to get the most value out of Villain?
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Old 05-21-2010, 08:13 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Old 05-21-2010, 08:23 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I guess this is to get the most value out of Villain?
Meh without reads, we don't know if he is 3betting only value hands he is wanting to get allin, or if he is 3betting light some % of the time intending to fold, etc. If he is only 3betting hands he is wanting to get allin preflop with, then obviously 4betting is best as it won't allow him to get away on unfavorable boards postflop. However, if he is 3betting light, and folding some % of the time, then it's best to call and take money away postflop. Against an unknown, we don't know, so mixing it up is best.
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Old 05-22-2010, 05:41 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 I would say never always do anything.
4 Bet most and call some or vice versa.
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Old 05-22-2010, 08:26 AM #9 (permalink)  

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 well if your arthritis is acting up call if not raise. Seriously in the long term whether you raise or call here isn't gonna effect your ev much at all. I would only lean towards calling if sb is laggy and can fold to a 4-bet but will c-bet least 55 percent of the time if we call.
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Old 05-23-2010, 02:04 AM #10 (permalink)  
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He's not exactly an unknown.. he's your average 10NLer, which nearly always is 3 betting for value here, so i like 4bet/ get it in until you have reads he does it light. Maybe at 25nl you can assume a higher % of villians will 3 bet light, but it's 90% value at these stakes. I think the extra value you get from AK aipf more than makes up for the fact that you miight be folding out a 3 bet bluff here.

Doesn't really matter anyway because you obviously got stacks in good vs his range but yeh i like just getting it pre in vs hopefully AK some of the time.
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Old 05-23-2010, 06:29 AM #11 (permalink)  
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 Only problem with that is what he perceives hero's 4bet range to be. At microstakes, I wouldn't think it's too uncommon for villain's to "3bet for value" because they think their hand is strong against your open range, then fold to a 4bet with a hand like QQ/AK, because they assume you are only 3betting KK+. Just saying.
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