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wellrounded08
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11-07-2008, 09:15 PM
Post subject: A4s Squeeze + FD on flop.
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
A4s
SB ($10.40)
BB ($10)
UTG ($3.05)
MP1 ($9.70)
MP2 ($10.70)
CO ($10.60)
Hero (Button) ($18.50)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 4 , A
1 fold, MP1 raises to $0.40, 1 fold, CO calls $0.40, Hero raises to $1.60, 2 folds, MP1 calls $1.20, 1 fold
Flop: ($3.75) 8, Q, 5 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $3.60, 1 fold
Total pot: $3.75 | Rake: $0.15
Preflop I think villains are folding here ALOT. I was VERY surprised to so see a flat from that villain, very surprised.
Anyway, on the flop, if we assume that villain called with ANY PP then our bet is easily +EV in FE. So lets say villains continuing range is QQ+, Or equity vs that hand is 39%. And therefore, if he DOES hold this hand, and shoves over, we have lolez odds to call.
NEWAY who thinks what about what?
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Fnord
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Bet less on the flop. Otherwise this is painfully standard.
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Probably the only hand you fold out with 3.6 that you don't fold out with 2 is AQ
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Probably the only hand you fold out with 3.6 that you don't fold out with 2 is AQ
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LAME HUMOR THAT MAKES FISH LAUGH
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Probably the only hand you fold out with 3.6 that you don't fold out with 2 is AQ
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And this is even less likely at these stakes.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
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I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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wellrounded08
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ok.
So then my line w/ the FD is b/f?
BTW, that FD is the only reason I'm questioning this hand.
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Probably the only hand you fold out with 3.6 that you don't fold out with 2 is AQ
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he's calling a shove with AQ if he's like any NL10 player I know
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Fnord
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Assuming a reasonable stack size.
If I re-raise somone pre-flop and flop a nut flush draw, all of my money is going in on the flop if my opponent raises me.
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kb coolman
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Assuming a reasonable stack size.
If I re-raise somone pre-flop and flop a nut flush draw, all of my money is going in on the flop if my opponent raises me.
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I struggle with this, because I alway get stuck on it being a coin flip to hit your suit. In a multiway pot, I realize it's always +EV to shove here. I'm a little more timid 2-way, but I'll generally put anyone else AI who has 1/2 my stack.
What is a reasonable stack size in this situation? Standard BI? Help me plug a gap, Fnord.
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yeah but you have other outs
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Assuming a reasonable stack size.
If I re-raise somone pre-flop and flop a nut flush draw, all of my money is going in on the flop if my opponent raises me.
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IC, so why bet 2.00 instead of 3.6? Does it matter?
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kb coolman
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Originally Posted by iopq
yeah but you have other outs
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Yea, I figure 12 outs. 9  s and 3 Aces, cause the 4s don't help you. Using the rule of 4, we're ~48%. When I run this through my calc tool, gives me 45% to win if my opponent has flopped any pair.
What am I missing?
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well if he raises you, you have pot odds to call at that point
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Originally Posted by kb coolman
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Originally Posted by iopq
yeah but you have other outs
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Yea, I figure 12 outs. 9 s and 3 Aces, cause the 4s don't help you. Using the rule of 4, we're ~48%. When I run this through my calc tool, gives me 45% to win if my opponent has flopped any pair.
What am I missing? |
That occasionally he has Aces or a set.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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kb coolman
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by kb coolman
What am I missing?
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That occasionally he has Aces or a set. |
How is that encouraging me to shove on the draw?
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Originally Posted by Fnord
If I re-raise somone pre-flop and flop a nut flush draw, all of my money is going in on the flop if my opponent raises me.
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I'm trying to understand how pot odds and stack size determine this decision in a 2-way pot. Sorry to be dense...I'm posting in BC, after all.
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