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Danh Bai
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12-28-2008, 02:56 PM
Post subject: 89s 20nl
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Straight
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Why does he bet small on the turn? Did the Q scared him or is he slow playing AK? How much to bet here?
iPoker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (8 handed) - iPoker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG+1 ($14.52)
MP1 ($3.70)
MP2 ($3.80)
CO ($21.68)
Button ($18.94)
SB ($19.29)
BB ($19.70)
Hero (UTG) ($10.82)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with  , 
Hero calls $0.20, 4 folds, Button raises to $0.80, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.60
Flop: ($1.90)  ,  ,  (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1.90, Hero calls $1.90
Turn: ($5.70)  (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1, Hero ??
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jyms
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Calling a raise OOP here with SC's means you need to make quite a bit on this hand. Calling the flop and second guessing the turn is probably not going to get you paid by hands you beat. Did you honestly just call preflop in hopes of flopping a nut str8?
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will641
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raaaaaaaaaaaaaaise. you have the 3rd nuts with a redraw to the uber nuts. also yes, pf is bad. idk what utg limping ranges should be but its probably not this. also half stacking sucks.
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jyms
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Wow, never noticed the half stack either. Yea this is horrible, fold pre, you don't have enough to make money on this call. This is why I love short stacks, free money.
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oskar
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SC's have value in multi-way pots when a couple of players have already limped. There are other situations where it can be profitable to play them, but if you still limp/call trash UTG then you should probably work on the absolute basics of your game.
Since you are short stacked (which makes the limp/call even worse) you have to get it in by the river.
You could even just call here, you'll have less than a psb left on the river.
This might be one of the rare cases where a minraise isn't a bad idea. He can't fold if he has any piece of it, and he'll have a hard time folding the river when you shove getting 3:1
Don't play short stacked without a solid reason. (Not having the BR for 20NL is NOT a solid reason)
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bigspenda73
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here's a shocker, RAISE PF
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Danh Bai
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Straight
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My plan was check raising and I was expecting him to bet bigger.. So lets say I put him on a J or an overpair and he didn't like the Q, how much do you bet to not blow him out of the pot?
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will641
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yes its an unfortunate thing that happens frequently with bad players, but regardless you have to c/r. just make it $5 and hope he shoves. if not shove any turn.
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Cash Rules Everything Around Me.
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jyms
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
here's a shocker, RAISE PF
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You think raising SC's preflop short stacked at $20NL would be profitable? I mean I raise or 3bet this all day since I play full stacked and most guys have some assemblance of a steal percentage. But this is FR and it's only $20NL. I think it's interesting but your asking a lot of someone who is thinking calling is a good idea.
some of you should read this
http://www.grinderschool.com/poker-s...connectors.htm
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bigspenda73
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I like it better than limp/calling
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jyms
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agreed
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Danh Bai
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Straight
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I would have actually raised this in late position, but i was trying to see a cheap flop and i figured if i raised someone would re-raise. Ok, you guys are right I should have just folded this in early position. I mainly play Sng's where I'm usually folding small sc's so i guess it was just tantalizing to see a flop for .20.
As for the half stack I was just experimenting with it after reading this:
http://poker-strategy.flopturnriver....n-Strategy.php
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jyms
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from that thread
Quote:
Adjusting to play 40-60bb deep:
Big cards go up in value.
Good one pair hands tend to get felted. Try to get the money in by the turn.
Hence, draws lose value against a "made" hand because they often can't bet the river for value.
Strong draws can commit on the flop.
Suited trash goes down in value. Don't even bother without initiative + position.
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bigspenda73
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jyms beat me to it, fairly certain Fnord would frown upon you playng 89s utg 50bb deep.
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