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Old 02-09-2010, 03:30 AM     Post subject: 88s & 99s @ 25NL-FR #1 (permalink)  
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 Pre: 88 is now on the boarder of raising UTG so i do it when i feel like it. Oh NOES, randomness.

BB is 23/2/ over 52 hands. Since I don't have a ton of hands I can see his range being as wide as AQs+ (though AK likely reraises), 22-qq(, as most poeple reraise kk and AA.

Against this range on this flop I have 56% equity. His continuing range would match pretty closely to his calling range, is something like 66-qq,AQs+,AKo, or it might be as narrow as AQ spades, AK spades 66,77,88+. Against that range my equity sucks about 17%.
Flop: Looking at this now i want to check, but He still folds a decent percent of his range 22-55 (30 combos) he might fold 15/16 combos of AK and 15/16 combos AQ, leaving only the drawing ones. So he fold 60 combos, out of possible of 3+1+1+6+6+6+6 + 60= or 60/89= 67%. betting 1.5 means that if i have zero equity i need him to fold 41% to show immediate profit.

Thus I bet and check it down as I am very likely crushed or his is bad.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($8.15)
Button ($21.25)
SB ($5.45)
BB ($17.20)
UTG ($5)
Hero (UTG+1) ($30.95)
MP1 ($16.20)
MP2 ($23.30)
MP3 ($24.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8, 8
1 fold, Hero bets $1, 6 folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) 7, 7, 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.10) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($5.10) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $5.10 | Rake: $0.25



Villain is 29/4 over 77 hands.

Pre:Std.

Flop: His preflop range is fairly narrow as 4% means a range of 99+,AQs+,AKo, against which my equity 33%. On the flop my equity increases to 43%. Now when he checks it means that I am crushed or his has over cards. The problem is that if this was a dry board I would love him to draw to overs, but since his has a few flush draws in his range I need remove them, which is why i bet slightly more than pot. I think my mistake here is that I can achieve the same results with betting 1.5.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($17.55)
MP1 ($23.55)
MP2 ($5.05)
CO ($5)
Hero (Button) ($48.90)
SB ($45.10)
BB ($5.70)
UTG ($5)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9, 9
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 bets $0.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.85) 8, J, 10 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $2, 2 folds

Total pot: $1.85 | Rake: $0.05
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Old 02-09-2010, 03:53 AM     Post subject: Re: 88s & 99s @ 25NL-FR #2 (permalink)  
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 in response to the getting him to fold 22-55 comment in the first hand. dont you prefer him to call? just because he probably will fold that part of his range, doesn't necessarily make it a good thing, even though your hand is vulnerable. he's the one making a mistake when calling with 22-55, unless he has solid hand reading skills and knows you will fold on later streets a high % of the time.

that's the idea i got after watching the robert eckstut 2+2 dvd available on stars anyway. basically i think what i'm saying that you gain more when he calls with 22-55 than when he folds it.
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Old 02-09-2010, 03:57 AM     Post subject: Re: 88s & 99s @ 25NL-FR #3 (permalink)  
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 i mean in terms of pot equity/pot odds/ EV theory
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Old 02-09-2010, 04:24 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 I guess the main reason I bet is because I can get value out of draws, which may call me, which is why i should bet less on the first hand . 1.5 would have been so much better.
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Old 02-10-2010, 06:36 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 I don't really think your ranges for hand 1 are quite accurate. IMO someone playing 23/2 sounds pretty bad which could certainly open up his calling range from the blinds. I think it's a mistake to not include some suited connectors in there as well as maybe some suited broadways. I think here I'm probably barreling the turn, something like $3. Definitely checking back the river as played.

hand two is pretty standard. Though you are right about a 1.60ish bet accomplishing the same thing. You are still offering incorrect pot odds for flush draws unless they have a monster combo draw in which case they are probably shoving over anyway. Actually, all hands beating you are probably raising or jamming here due to the wet nature of the board. So this is more of an information bet than anything else. Maybe AK, AQ, KQ will call you but not much else is going to here I don't think.
[00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
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Hand 1, pre and flop are both fine, turn you should be betting for value and as a by product, protection against draws. You will be getting value out of 22-55, 6x, FDs, OESDs, possibly a GSSD, and overs might decide to chase one more time. When the river comes and we are unimproved, obviously we check behind.

Hand 2, meh. I don't hate it, I don't love it. Betting smaller like you said gets the same job done. You have a decent amount of equity when behind, but realize you're only drawing to 6 effective outs, 4 if you're worried he has AK.
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