88 in SB.....

**WeldPhaser** · 06-16-2012 08:39 PM

ONly have 47 hands on Villain, vpip: 63 pfr: 10. he's either limping or min-ra'ing at most. This is a spot where I'm on the fence about 3bet'ing. Out of POS' do I 3bet to isolate? in a min-ra'd pot, the BB has 5to1 odds.So maybe I should 3bet....

Even though he's really bad, His ra' really narrows his range to me. I'm probably at best a little ahead of his range here right? Even though he min-ra's here I put him in the Equilab as 50/10 limper, and adjusted his range a bit by taking out the low A's & K's To ATo+, A8s+ , KQo, K9s+, after that he's actually a little ahead of me.

I donk the flop for pot control here, If I check and he bets the pot or more I gotta fold. his float seems really weak.When the turn bricks Do I Value bet? the rest is pretty straight forward.....

Is not 3b'ing here a big Leak???? Revolution Gaming Network - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $3.82
Hero (SB): $3.25
BB: $4.22
UTG: $2.63
CO: $2.30

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 8

8

fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.08, Hero calls $0.06, fold

Flop: ($0.20, 2 players) J

4

A

Hero bets $0.10, BTN calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.40, 2 players) 7

Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($0.40, 2 players) 3

Hero bets $0.20, fold

[spoil]Hero wins $0.38
[/spoil]

**kickass** · 06-16-2012 08:55 PM

Chk fold the flop this board is terrible for our hand, dunno why you want to continue oop with dogshit.

**The Bean Counter** · 06-16-2012 09:05 PM

Pre: I think calling is okay against this player - he's the sort of fish that will pay off top pair on any board if you hit your set. It's close between 3b, call and fold for me pre out of position depending on villain otherwise (assuming villain isn't a fish).

Flop: I wouldn't donk bet against this player on this board with sucj a weak holding. If he cbets a high % but folds to donk betting however then it's probably worth a try, but villains with this PFR tend to do neither. This board is a pretty standard c/f for me and I'd look to take it down on most turns if villain checks flop behind.

Turn: Putting on the brakes is probably fine but my leak is that I double barrel too often in these spots - I have no idea why villain doesn't take this down on the turn to your check.

**WeldPhaser** · 06-17-2012 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by The Bean Counter

Pre: I think calling is okay against this player - he's the sort of fish that will pay off top pair on any board if you hit your set. It's close between 3b, call and fold for me pre out of position depending on villain otherwise (assuming villain isn't a fish).

Flop: I wouldn't donk bet against this player on this board with sucj a weak holding. If he cbets a high % but folds to donk betting however then it's probably worth a try, but villains with this PFR tend to do neither. This board is a pretty standard c/f for me and I'd look to take it down on most turns if villain checks flop behind.

Turn: Putting on the brakes is probably fine but my leak is that I double barrel too often in these spots - I have no idea why villain doesn't take this down on the turn to your check.

I don't know either, So I just grab it on the river...

I'm def c/f this flop almost all the time but since I took the donk line I play it differently. And I'm also folding to c/r on flop here to.

**bjsaust** · 06-17-2012 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by WeldPhaser

I don't know either, So I just grab it on the river...

Grab what? What better hands than yours did you get to fold?

I dunno, more I read your threads, the more I think you have an issue with FPS. You seem to invent reasons in your head to make the moves you want to make.

**Fnord** · 06-17-2012 07:32 AM

Pick a better target for this play next time.

**OngBonga** · 06-17-2012 02:36 PM

Meh I don't like calling a middle pair oop against a wide range, we hate too many flops. 3bet or fold imo, probably 3bet unless I know he's gonna call and not respect the cbet.

06-16-2012 08:39 PM #1
WeldPhaser View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date May 2012 Posts 328 Location Northeast, PA	88 in SB..... ONly have 47 hands on Villain, vpip: 63 pfr: 10. he's either limping or min-ra'ing at most. This is a spot where I'm on the fence about 3bet'ing. Out of POS' do I 3bet to isolate? in a min-ra'd pot, the BB has 5to1 odds.So maybe I should 3bet.... Even though he's really bad, His ra' really narrows his range to me. I'm probably at best a little ahead of his range here right? Even though he min-ra's here I put him in the Equilab as 50/10 limper, and adjusted his range a bit by taking out the low A's & K's To ATo+, A8s+ , KQo, K9s+, after that he's actually a little ahead of me. I donk the flop for pot control here, If I check and he bets the pot or more I gotta fold. his float seems really weak.When the turn bricks Do I Value bet? the rest is pretty straight forward..... Is not 3b'ing here a big Leak???? Revolution Gaming Network - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players Hand converted by PokerTracker 3 BTN: $3.82 Hero (SB): $3.25 BB: $4.22 UTG: $2.63 CO: $2.30 Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04 Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 8 8 fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.08, Hero calls $0.06, fold Flop: ($0.20, 2 players) J 4 A Hero bets $0.10, BTN calls $0.10 Turn: ($0.40, 2 players) 7 Hero checks, BTN checks River: ($0.40, 2 players) 3 Hero bets $0.20, fold [spoil]Hero wins $0.38 [/spoil]

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06-16-2012 08:55 PM #2
kickass View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2010 Posts 887 Location St. Shawshanks Infant School	Chk fold the flop this board is terrible for our hand, dunno why you want to continue oop with dogshit.
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06-16-2012 09:05 PM #3
The Bean Counter View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2011 Posts 331	Pre: I think calling is okay against this player - he's the sort of fish that will pay off top pair on any board if you hit your set. It's close between 3b, call and fold for me pre out of position depending on villain otherwise (assuming villain isn't a fish). Flop: I wouldn't donk bet against this player on this board with sucj a weak holding. If he cbets a high % but folds to donk betting however then it's probably worth a try, but villains with this PFR tend to do neither. This board is a pretty standard c/f for me and I'd look to take it down on most turns if villain checks flop behind. Turn: Putting on the brakes is probably fine but my leak is that I double barrel too often in these spots - I have no idea why villain doesn't take this down on the turn to your check.

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06-17-2012 12:35 AM #4
WeldPhaser View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date May 2012 Posts 328 Location Northeast, PA	I know Originally Posted by The Bean Counter Pre: I think calling is okay against this player - he's the sort of fish that will pay off top pair on any board if you hit your set. It's close between 3b, call and fold for me pre out of position depending on villain otherwise (assuming villain isn't a fish). Flop: I wouldn't donk bet against this player on this board with sucj a weak holding. If he cbets a high % but folds to donk betting however then it's probably worth a try, but villains with this PFR tend to do neither. This board is a pretty standard c/f for me and I'd look to take it down on most turns if villain checks flop behind. Turn: Putting on the brakes is probably fine but my leak is that I double barrel too often in these spots - I have no idea why villain doesn't take this down on the turn to your check. I don't know either, So I just grab it on the river... I'm def c/f this flop almost all the time but since I took the donk line I play it differently. And I'm also folding to c/r on flop here to.

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06-17-2012 05:12 AM #5
bjsaust View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date May 2007 Posts 6,282 Location Ballarat, Australia	Originally Posted by WeldPhaser I don't know either, So I just grab it on the river... Grab what? What better hands than yours did you get to fold? I dunno, more I read your threads, the more I think you have an issue with FPS. You seem to invent reasons in your head to make the moves you want to make.
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06-17-2012 07:32 AM #6
Fnord View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 19,380 Location I'll Do You Like A Truck	Pick a better target for this play next time.
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06-17-2012 02:36 PM #7
OngBonga View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2010 Posts 5,306 Location England	Meh I don't like calling a middle pair oop against a wide range, we hate too many flops. 3bet or fold imo, probably 3bet unless I know he's gonna call and not respect the cbet.
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