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daven

05-03-2009, 07:17 AM Post subject: 88 ep open flops gold - 25nl sh

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Ok, I'm learning 6-max.
villain in the blinds is a nit 13-8 multi-tabler, a little aggro, but not too much. Villain sb has ATC range, villain button is uber-aggro and likes to raise-raise-raise post-flop with any flop connection.

Flop thoughts were bb had Kx, 55, something. He;ll fold the weak end of his range to a raise. Figured that any decent draw behind would love to make the re-raise shove if I simply called, but would be folding to any action. Turn and villain obviously likes his hand, so we can dance...
is my play stupid given reads and the flush draw/semi-connected flop?

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Button ($6.13)
SB ($12.42)
Hero (MP) ($41.04)
BB ($25)
UTG ($17.81)
CO ($13.17)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8

, 8

1 fold, Hero bets $0.75, CO calls $0.75, Button calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($3.75) K

, 8

, 5

(5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $2, Hero calls $2, 3 folds

Turn: ($7.75) 9

(2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero raises $15.50,

don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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dranger7070

05-03-2009, 01:08 PM

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dranger7070 has a little shameless behaviour in the past

Hand is played fine with the reads you gave imo. Although I don't hate a raise on the flop at all. Turn isn't stupid at all, if he has 67 gg him imo. If he has KK hes dumb for not 3betting PF and cooler.

nh

surviva316

05-03-2009, 08:45 PM

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i don't like flatting the flop donk from the nit with a bunch of fish behind us. if the bet were closer to the size of the pot, i would be able to stomach it more, but since it's just half the pot there are a few things here.

FIRST: we're giving the fish behind us the right odds to call and even though there aren't TOO many scare cards to come, i still don't think it is +EV to let them see a cheap turn.

SECOND: the nit is clearly not bluffing. he's donking in a multi-way pot and only betting half the pot, so he's trying to get value (or he's making a stop bet, but either way we want his money now), so i don't expect him to fold to a raise.

If you really want to keep the fish in, you can make a small raise (4-5 dollars), but i really don't like getting such little value out of this flop

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JustinSKS

05-04-2009, 03:23 AM

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I'm def rasing him here, 6-8 bucks. I think its a good spot to actually shut those other draws out and get him heads up. If you got people with multiple draws out there that 9 completed one of em. I think a flop raise is due here.

I'm trying to get the pot big enough so I can get him committed and ship it.

I think he'll be calling your raise here. So he'll probably check to you on turn or donk bet into you. Either way, we're still going to be betting/raising for value.

But then again, I'm a noob, but that's just my line of play.

I fold AA preflop.

kmind

05-04-2009, 03:41 AM

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Raise flop as played raise allin. He's going to call the same. But flop he'll call with a shit ton worse if you raise plus you don't allow him to set the price to see his draw if he's on one.

Illfavor

05-04-2009, 03:47 AM

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I also am in the flop raise camp. A spade/9/4 are "scare" cards and we're letting the village ppl draw for cheap.

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05-04-2009, 04:09 AM

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I'd raise flop. A few reasons:

1. WTF YOU DONKED AND I'M THE PFR? RAAAAGE. NO DONKING IN MY POT
2. If he was the PFR that's the kind of flop I'd raise as a bluff, or flush draw semi-bluff. That's why if he donks that doesn't change.
3. If he's betting this flop for value he has Kx, 55, flush draw, 58, 67 etc. hands that don't fold to a raise
4. If he's bluffing it's a pretty shitty board to barrel because if we just call we have a king most of the time so I would only expect him to bet the turn with a serious hand that he'd call a raise on the flop with

well if we raise to like 8, we can shove turn

dranger7070

05-04-2009, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by iopq

I'd raise flop. A few reasons:

1. WTF YOU DONKED AND I'M THE PFR? RAAAAGE. NO DONKING IN MY POT
2. If he was the PFR that's the kind of flop I'd raise as a bluff, or flush draw semi-bluff. That's why if he donks that doesn't change.
3. If he's betting this flop for value he has Kx, 55, flush draw, 58, 67 etc. hands that don't fold to a raise
4. If he's bluffing it's a pretty shitty board to barrel because if we just call we have a king most of the time so I would only expect him to bet the turn with a serious hand that he'd call a raise on the flop with

well if we raise to like 8, we can shove turn

I totally do this all the time lol. I lol'd.

surviva316

05-04-2009, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by iopq

I'd raise flop. A few reasons:

1. WTF YOU DONKED AND I'M THE PFR? RAAAAGE. NO DONKING IN MY POT

no need to read further. if anyone can come up with a more convincing argument than this, i'll eat my hat

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