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Old 01-03-2010, 08:00 AM     Post subject: 67s flops nuts, turns flush draw 25nl FR #1 (permalink)  
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 67s ep open is at the loose/marginal end of the spectrum, can easily be a fold but here Table was tight with the exception of the uber-fish in the blinds.

Villain is 11-10-4 (vpip-pfr-3b) over 300 hands. He's new to me this session and is at about 4 of my tables. He has a low fold to c-bet (25%, 1/4) but i don't have any read on his turn play re floating etc. He most likely has a HUD running and will view me as looser than typical, but fairly solid with about 14% pfr and 60ish% cbet.

Flop is obviously a c-bet and big is fine when i'm looking so full of shit. Turn is interesting. Villain's range is mostly pocket pairs 22-QQ and a dash of AK/AQ. Turn initially looks good cos it gives me the flush draw, but....
so, of my 3 options
1) if i bet big again then i look like top pair ++ and he's folding most of his range.
2) if i bet small i may induce from his float range and he's obviously raising his sets
3) if i check then he checks a bunch of his showdown/float range behind and bets his sets.


$0.13/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
9 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($27.85)
UTG+1 ($29.90)
Hero ($55.98)
MP2 ($23.15)
MP3 ($25)
CO ($33.56)
BTN ($31.99)
SB ($41.79)
BB ($23.11)

Pre-Flop: ($0.38, 9 players) Hero is MP1
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, 2 folds, CO calls $0.85, 3 folds

Flop: ($2.08, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.75, CO calls $1.75

Turn: ($5.58, 2 players)
Hero ($53.38)??????

thanks to jkds for some initial discussion on this one in IRC
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Old 01-03-2010, 06:40 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I'm rarely going to check this to him, but like you said, I wouldn't bet so much to blow him off of 77, 99. TT, etc. I'd probably go like 3.50ish and ldo get it in if he raises.
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Old 01-03-2010, 07:06 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 Just want to note that preflop is super duper standard given that there is a fish in the blinds.

At first glance I think it's a clear check. Compared to betting, checking loses nothing against his nut range, gains against whatever weak floating type hands he has, and loses nothing against his weak pair range since you're rarely getting 3 streets of value against it anyway.
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Just want to note that preflop is super duper standard given that there is a fish in the blinds.

At first glance I think it's a clear check. Compared to betting, checking loses nothing against his nut range, gains against whatever weak floating type hands he has, and loses nothing against his weak pair range since you're rarely getting 3 streets of value against it anyway.
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 $5/jam river

bleh probably miscalculated stack sizes a bit, but I'd bet $5 on the turn fo sho
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At first glance I think it's a clear check. Compared to betting, checking loses nothing against his nut range, gains against whatever weak floating type hands he has, and loses nothing against his weak pair range since you're rarely getting 3 streets of value against it anyway.
So given this, I'm assuming we're looking to check/raise our hand hoping to get it in against his nut range? Given your perceived range, I think a check/raise here can look as if you picked up a flush draw and even get calls/raises from his midpairs.

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At first glance I think it's a clear check. Compared to betting, checking loses nothing against his nut range, gains against whatever weak floating type hands he has, and loses nothing against his weak pair range since you're rarely getting 3 streets of value against it anyway.
So given this, I'm assuming we're looking to check/raise our hand hoping to get it in against his nut range? Given your perceived range, I think a check/raise here can look as if you picked up a flush draw and even get calls/raises from his midpairs.
Yeah I would check/raise to some amount that I thought set up a nice river size to make him feel pot fucked with whatever stupid hand he has and not make me act like a bitch if the board happens to pair.
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