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    Default 66 flop set... fold turn??

    Merge Network $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players -
    UTG: $4.28
    UTG+1: $4.17
    MP1: $4.99
    MP2: $2.04
    CO: $2.72
    BTN: $4.11
    Hero (SB): $8.40
    BB: $4.22

    Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is SB with 6 6
    UTG calls $0.04, 4 folds, BTN calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.08, BB calls $0.04, UTG calls $0.04, BTN calls $0.04

    Flop: ($0.32) J 6 K (4 players)
    Hero bets $0.16, BB folds, UTG calls $0.16, BTN folds

    Turn: ($0.64) Q (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.32, UTG raises to $1.17, Hero folds

    Dude was 35-14 over 200 hands...

    Anyway this came today in worst session i have had in a while. I know this whole had is shit from preflop to flop bet.....I was tilted acting like a tard. But as played is the turn a fold? I am putting my helmet on b/c I know you guys are going to give me hell for this! lol
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    preflop is ok but definitely not standard, it's better to just limp. Bet flop a lot bigger, turn is really close. You're getting about 3:1 direct when you're behind and you've got 10 outs when behind. He can definitely have KQ/QJ here as well as the obv 9T/AT/XXcc. Probably calling, bet-folding blank rivers $0.70 and nut rivers $2.70
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    Min-raise into 3 Villains from the SB with a weak PP? If you're going to play 66 in this spot, why not a normal (pot-sized) opening bet here? It would allow you the chance of taking the pot down right here, it makes bluffing on later streets make more sense, and also allows you to get in more chippies when you DO hit your hand.

    Consider a raise to $0.20 - $0.25 pre-flop. Or fold the weak PP from bad position. I'm not saying you should fold 66; I'm saying make sure your SB range matches your own post flop strengths.

    Overbet the flop $0.50. On a board this wet in a multi-way pot, there's a good chance that 1 or more people have 8+ out hands. If Hero bets less than pot and one of the villains calls, the later villains are priced in. If Hero checks, Hero might give 3 villains a free card. Bet 150% of pot. Taking it down right here is fine on this board. If they flat-called a min-raise with KK or JJ facing a multi-way flop, then they are so bad that it's only a matter of time 'till Hero gets the chippies back. Other than that, Hero has the nuts and bets for value.

    @ 35/14, having limp-called UTG, Villain is probably on the top of their limping range. Turn makes a lot of pair and gut-shot / pair and OESD for that range. Of course, that range has a lot of suited Aces in it, too.

    When the Qc falls on the turn, that's one of the worst cards in the deck for Hero. Check/Call because a ton of villains' hands can make 2 pr here or floated the flop to bluff any scare card on the turn. Villain's re-raise to pot could mean just that. It could also mean he made his straight or flush and is V-towning Hero. However, Hero has 10 outs to beat any of those hands, which is ~3.5:1 to "suck-out". Villains stack is big enough to play implied odds on the river if Hero makes a boat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post

    Or fold the weak PP from bad position.
    This is very very silly to even mention. The play he made is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folding. I think the play he made is probably better then making it 20c actually.

    With that said, Limp. Easygame

    Oh and never fold this turn that's just silly. Don't shove either.
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    I agree with the advice to just limp behind here. This is a perfect spot for it with any implied odds hand like a small PP or SC, you keep the SPR high and when you don't hit it's easy to get away from.

    Flop, first, good that you led this flop, you've got to bet here, but your sizing sucked. MMM said it right - gotta size this flop big, not least because someone with TPTK or 2 pair is coming along for a big bet, and who cares if you take it down right there? KJ, KQ, probably KT, AQ, AT, QT and XXcc are all coming along and calling a big bet while way behind. This is one of those flops that hits everything, so as MMM said if you want to make sure they make a mistake by calling, bet really fucking big.

    As for the turn, as daven said, call and re-evaluate on the river. If the board pairs, you'll probably stack him. You might well still be ahead on this board anyway when he raises the turn, but I can see why you folded and the turn sucks for you.

    I might not bet fold the river unimproved, I might check then call a reasonable sized bet on non-club rivers and fold to anything else, but this is just off the top of my head what I think I might do and I'm not saying davens bet-fold line isn't superior.
    Last edited by BorisTheSpider; 05-22-2012 at 06:41 PM.
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    Juicing the pot pre-flop is an exploitive strategy for certain table dynamics (loose + passive but won't call over-bets light post-flop.)

    On the flop lead more money. It's a wet board and your range should be very strong here. This is a very different spot than c-betting. I would probably just click the pot button here.

    Turn that's a really bad card for you because it will spook hands you're ahead up and just caught up a bunch of your opponent's holdings. I would check intending to value-town any non-club or full-house river card if he checks behind.

    On a different/better turn card I would mash the pot button again.
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    I'd call turn planning to check the river to him, ck/ jam boats and evaluate on blanks.

    Fnord if you check here I assume we're calling at least one street?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet View Post
    This is very very silly to even mention. The play he made is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folding. I think the play he made is probably better then making it 20c actually.

    With that said, Limp. Easygame

    Oh and never fold this turn that's just silly. Don't shove either.
    treebet thanks for the advice.... I am trying to understand the reasoning. We call the turn b/c we still have outs against his nut hands and also is there a part of his range that we are still way ahead of even with this turn card? Is this the right way thinking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotigers1234 View Post
    treebet thanks for the advice.... I am trying to understand the reasoning. We call the turn b/c we still have outs against his nut hands and also is there a part of his range that we are still way ahead of even with this turn card? Is this the right way thinking?
    Basically your getting a pretty good price, about 3:1. Even versus a flush we have about 24% equity which is close to immediate odds. If the villain does have a hand this strong he's always going to pay us off on the river. If he doesn't have a hand this strong then we are ahead anyway!

    If villain wasn't this loose and passive I think checking the turn has some merit but I think betting in this case should be better.
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    Did someone already say bet more?
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    ongies gonna ong

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