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  1. #1

    Default 66 flop bottom set... fold turn??

    Dude was an unknown only 3 hands so far and nothing to note. He did tank when I raised him on the flop.

    Merge Network $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players -

    BTN: $1.86
    SB: $4.30
    BB: $1.69
    UTG: $2.86
    UTG+1: $3.69
    MP1: $4.45
    Hero (MP2): $7.60
    CO: $2.68

    Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is MP2 with 6 6
    UTG calls $0.04, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.28, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.16

    Flop: ($0.64) 6 8 7 (2 players)
    SB bets $0.32, Hero raises to $0.96, SB calls $0.64

    Turn: ($2.56) J (2 players)
    SB bets $1.28,???? Hero raises to $6.36 ??all in, SB calls $1.78 all in

    River: ($8.68) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

    After looking back he tanks my flop raise then fires pretty strong on the turn. He is repping the nuts here right?? Can we fold this turn or the fact that he is unknown we need to call down? I overjammed but should I have just called turn?? I was confused after he flatted my flop raise then donked the turn. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
    Last edited by gotigers1234; 05-15-2012 at 09:09 AM.
  2. #2
    Raise bigger on flop to set up a pot-sized shove on turn and to protect vs straight draws. Turn is fine as played. Don't fold, no draws hit.
    Last edited by Fielmann; 05-15-2012 at 10:27 AM.
  3. #3
    Given that overpairs are still part of villain's range, I doubt I could fold that turn.

    Just because he showed up with 45 this time doesn't mean you played the hand badly.
    Last edited by Luco; 05-15-2012 at 11:06 AM.
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  4. #4
    no don't fold the turn wtf we have equity vs the nuts and his range is wider than nutsnutsnuts.
  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by d0zer View Post
    no don't fold the turn wtf we have equity vs the nuts and his range is wider than nutsnutsnuts.
    I guess I am just second guessing myself b/c of the results. When you say we have equity against the nuts what does that mean? Do you mean like we have outs against it? Thank you for your time sir.
  6. #6
    yes, outs contribute to your equity. pokerstove gives you equity #s.

    If we had AdAs on an unpaired turn that had three clubs, we would have zero equity against the nuts.
  7. #7
    In this specific hand, Daven means we have 10(?) outs to draw to a FH vs a straight.
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    He means: even if Villain has a made straight w/ FD on the turn, we have outs: The 6h makes quads (one card), the { 8s, 8h, 8d, 7s, 7d, 7c, Js, Jh, Jc } makes full house (9 cards). We have 10 outs to improve, which is 10/46 = 21.7%

    ...and that's IF Villain flopped a straight, 'cause they sure didn't get there on the turn. If Villain has a set, it's bigger than Hero's and that's a cooler, and *sigh*. anything less and Hero is already ahead and V-towning.
  9. #9
    If he can do this with T9 pre, then he can have lots of hands, like 2pr, sets, overpairs and bluffs. We beat this range.

    If he's more straightforward pre flop, esp on the sb, the worst post flop position on the table, then we can give him JJ+. We beat this range also.

    I wouldn't fold this against anyone.
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  10. #10
    is it ok to just limp behind pre given original caller's stack size?
  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Bucket View Post
    is it ok to just limp behind pre given original caller's stack size?
    I am coming to prefer just overlimping here, especially in a passive game where we won't be bluffing much postflop, might as well just see a cheap flop and try and flop something we can extract with and if we don't hit we got in at like 30% of the cost of a raised pot. In a more aggressive game, raise or fold, don't end up limp-calling or limp-folding OOP to setmine, as that sucks.

    As for the hand as played, you can't fold here. Get your money in, and don't sweat the outcome. Guessing he had JJ? Otherwise, as Ong said, if he'd 3bet the other pp that flopped a set here, and he tanked fearing the straight himself, then he can have tons of other stuff here that he'll get it in with.
    Last edited by BorisTheSpider; 05-15-2012 at 05:41 PM.
  12. #12
    I like it. Well played. Raise pre, shovel turn.

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