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    Default 66 against loose donk= LOST VALUE?

    This guy was 86/17 over 30 hands. I had seen him bet in odd patterns no matter if he had a hand or not. This hand makes me sick b/c I am sure I am losing a ton of money b/c of my river shove.... a side question am I getting the implied odds to setmine on flop and turn since his bets are smallish??


    Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (9 handed) - Cake-Poker Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

    MP3 ($1.48)
    CO ($5.30)
    Button ($3.72)
    SB ($2.26)
    BB ($5.46)
    UTG ($2.78)
    UTG+1 ($4.69)
    Hero (MP1) ($4)
    MP2 ($3.96)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 6, 6
    2 folds, Hero bets $0.12, 3 folds, Button calls $0.12, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.30) 4, 10, 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12

    Turn: ($0.54) A (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12

    River: ($0.78) 6 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $0.12, Hero raises to $3.64 (All-In), 1 fold ??? How much would you bet here? $1?? I thought at the time shoving was a good play b/c of how loose/bad this guy was but I think now it was a huge mistake.

    Total pot: $1.02 | Rake: $0.06
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    I think the turn call is too loose, you have 2 outs so about 5% chance to make a set on the river so you need 20:1, meaning you need to make $2.40 to break even - you won't often get that on the river, so I think the turn is a fold.

    Calling the flop I guess is kind of standard even without the setmine motivation - if he's stabby, he might well bet when you check so I think you have to call and re-evaluate the turn even though you may be behind. Depends how stabby he is - it's probably too early to really be able to justify calling here based on reads, but I don't hate the call.

    Once you bink the river, I don't mind the shove that much - I mean a smaller bet might be better, but I don't think shoving is a huge mistake - he might well call with something stupid. If you do bet $1, he has to call nearly 4 times more often than he would call a shove for the profit to be equal, so although you might think you fold out a lot of stuff that would call a smaller raise, you only have to get called occasionally for it to be profitable. It's probably not that big a difference either way, but if you think he calls a raise to $1 say 30% of the time, then he only has to call the shove like 1 time in 12 for the EV to be the same.
    Last edited by BorisTheSpider; 06-21-2012 at 10:26 PM.
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    preflop good
    i don't like flop play
    river is fine as played, although i prefer raising to $3.30
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    b/f flop
    c/f turn

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    Turn, c/f would be standard, but as played this turn bet is weak as hell and should be raised imo.

    River shove is fine at these stakes, if shoving gets just a sixth of the calls that raising to 50c gets, shoving is better than raising to 50c. If he calls a dollar, he probably calls his stack.
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