65s UTG Facing turn raise

**gotigers1234** · 06-01-2012 11:29 AM

Dude was 28/12 over 25 hands... table was very loose

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (9 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($1.46)
SB ($7.53)
BB ($1.30)
Hero (UTG) ($0.35) 6 5 club
UTG+1 ($4.42)
MP1 ($4.24)
MP2 ($4.84)
MP3 ($4)
CO ($3.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG
Hero calls $0.04, 6 folds, SB calls $0.02, BB checks

Flop: ($0.12) 5

, 6

, Q

(3 players)
SB bets $0.08, BB calls $0.08, Hero raises to $0.20, SB calls $0.12, BB calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.72) J

(3 players)
SB bets $0.36, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.32 (All-In), SB raises to $2.28, Hero raises to $4.02 (All-In), SB calls $1.39 (All-In)

River: ($8.06) 8

(2 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: $8.06 | Rake: $8.06

Are you guys ever folding this turn or are we getting it in? Also it shows my stack as .35 on here lol I had $ 4.26 to start out. Also it doesn't show my hole cards so I typed them in. We flop 2 pair and should my raise be bigger here??

**Hoopy** · 06-01-2012 11:40 AM

Don't limp UTG with 65s.

What pot odds are you giving them once you raise? How much equity do some of their draws have? They'll call way more.

**Arjonius** · 06-01-2012 12:43 PM

Fold pre.

Since you didn't, 3-bet more on the flop. The pot is .28 when you act. Making it .20 means it takes .12 to call a pot of .48. So you're pricing in any flush draw and any OESD. Bottom two rates to be ahead, but it's quite vulnerable, so it's not the greatest situation to be giving opponents attractive pot odds.

**BorisTheSpider** · 06-01-2012 01:32 PM

I think other posters here are ignoring the table texture - if the game was really really passive and loose, I see nothing wrong with open limping SCs UTG, I mean, it's not like you're going to be doing that every day, and it's unorthodox, but if you can be sure enough that the table is playing such that you'll get to the flop most of the time without a raise, why not?

I'd make the flop much bigger, about $0.50, maybe even more. The turn is about the worst card possible for you, and when SB 3bets the turn, I'd probably puke and fold, unless he's _really_ bad and is likely to stack off with TPTK or similar here - but I'd want a pretty solid read that was the case before I'd do anything other than fold the turn.

**gotigers1234** · 06-01-2012 03:30 PM

Boris... Yeah I forgot to put the passive part in there lol but yes it was very loose and passive. 5 out of 9 players were running like 50/0. What is our optimal style of play against loose passives? Should we be loose pre and then play fit or fold on most flops??

Thanks for the input guys I had a feeling as soon as I raised that it was not big enough. This is one of my leaks for sure. I don't try to slowplay I am just not thinking about pricing draws out when I figure my sizing.

**Shotglass** · 06-01-2012 03:38 PM

Fold pre.

I know, I know...but they're suuuuiiiiiitttttttteeeedddd. The cards look pretty and are pretty dangerous to play from UTG. In reality you've got 6 high. :banghead:
Why are you putting your $$$ in the pot? What are you hoping to accomplish - run into a big hand - be oop on all subsequent betting rounds with 66 and a 5 kicker?
Dump it unless you're OTB or CO in a limp fest.

In general, it's best to play opposite of the table texture. You'll quickly get upside down in the hand if you don't.

Edit: What happened to all of the emoticons while I was dealing with irl crap?

**OngBonga** · 06-01-2012 05:03 PM

Awful limp.

**tiltingdonkey** · 06-02-2012 03:07 AM

yeah fold pre, and unless you've got "very good reads" then you can raise.

i think that limping from late position with very loose players is an ok play. but from UTG, it's just going to be just too damn hard to show a profit limping SCs especially this small.

**daven** · 06-02-2012 04:17 AM

Originally Posted by Hoopy

Don't limp UTG with anything unless you have a very good reason for doing so, and this will rarely be the case.

fyp

**rpm** · 06-03-2012 03:56 AM

so you started the hand with thirty-five cents, and then went all-in on the turn twice for a total of $4? you've really confused me here

**gotigers1234** · 06-04-2012 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by rpm

so you started the hand with thirty-five cents, and then went all-in on the turn twice for a total of $4? you've really confused me here

LOL sorry for some reason the Hand History was screwed up. I don't know what the problem is...

**BorisTheSpider** · 06-04-2012 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by rpm

so you started the hand with thirty-five cents, and then went all-in on the turn twice for a total of $4? you've really confused me here

Indeed, clearly some mistake. Only Chuck Norris can go all-in twice in the same hand.

06-01-2012 11:29 AM #1
gotigers1234 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2010 Posts 193 Location Looking at Mold	65s UTG Facing turn raise Dude was 28/12 over 25 hands... table was very loose Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (9 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com Button ($1.46) SB ($7.53) BB ($1.30) Hero (UTG) ($0.35) 6 5 club UTG+1 ($4.42) MP1 ($4.24) MP2 ($4.84) MP3 ($4) CO ($3.95) Preflop: Hero is UTG Hero calls $0.04, 6 folds, SB calls $0.02, BB checks Flop: ($0.12) 5, 6, Q (3 players) SB bets $0.08, BB calls $0.08, Hero raises to $0.20, SB calls $0.12, BB calls $0.12 Turn: ($0.72) J (3 players) SB bets $0.36, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.32 (All-In), SB raises to $2.28, Hero raises to $4.02 (All-In), SB calls $1.39 (All-In) River: ($8.06) 8 (2 players, 3 all-in) Total pot: $8.06 \| Rake: $8.06 Are you guys ever folding this turn or are we getting it in? Also it shows my stack as .35 on here lol I had $ 4.26 to start out. Also it doesn't show my hole cards so I typed them in. We flop 2 pair and should my raise be bigger here??
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06-01-2012 11:40 AM #2
Hoopy View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2009 Posts 1,666 Location Riverballs	Don't limp UTG with 65s. What pot odds are you giving them once you raise? How much equity do some of their draws have? They'll call way more.

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06-01-2012 12:43 PM #3
Arjonius View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 229	Fold pre. Since you didn't, 3-bet more on the flop. The pot is .28 when you act. Making it .20 means it takes .12 to call a pot of .48. So you're pricing in any flush draw and any OESD. Bottom two rates to be ahead, but it's quite vulnerable, so it's not the greatest situation to be giving opponents attractive pot odds.

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06-01-2012 01:32 PM #4
BorisTheSpider View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2012 Posts 241 Location UK	I think other posters here are ignoring the table texture - if the game was really really passive and loose, I see nothing wrong with open limping SCs UTG, I mean, it's not like you're going to be doing that every day, and it's unorthodox, but if you can be sure enough that the table is playing such that you'll get to the flop most of the time without a raise, why not? I'd make the flop much bigger, about $0.50, maybe even more. The turn is about the worst card possible for you, and when SB 3bets the turn, I'd probably puke and fold, unless he's _really_ bad and is likely to stack off with TPTK or similar here - but I'd want a pretty solid read that was the case before I'd do anything other than fold the turn.

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06-01-2012 03:30 PM #5
gotigers1234 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2010 Posts 193 Location Looking at Mold	Boris... Yeah I forgot to put the passive part in there lol but yes it was very loose and passive. 5 out of 9 players were running like 50/0. What is our optimal style of play against loose passives? Should we be loose pre and then play fit or fold on most flops?? Thanks for the input guys I had a feeling as soon as I raised that it was not big enough. This is one of my leaks for sure. I don't try to slowplay I am just not thinking about pricing draws out when I figure my sizing.

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06-01-2012 03:38 PM #6
Shotglass View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2010 Posts 1,745 Location feelin' allright	Fold pre. I know, I know...but they're suuuuiiiiiitttttttteeeedddd. The cards look pretty and are pretty dangerous to play from UTG. In reality you've got 6 high. :banghead: Why are you putting your $$$ in the pot? What are you hoping to accomplish - run into a big hand - be oop on all subsequent betting rounds with 66 and a 5 kicker? Dump it unless you're OTB or CO in a limp fest. In general, it's best to play opposite of the table texture. You'll quickly get upside down in the hand if you don't. Edit: What happened to all of the emoticons while I was dealing with irl crap?
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06-01-2012 05:03 PM #7
OngBonga View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2010 Posts 5,312 Location England	Awful limp.
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06-02-2012 03:07 AM #8
tiltingdonkey View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Apr 2011 Posts 99	yeah fold pre, and unless you've got "very good reads" then you can raise. i think that limping from late position with very loose players is an ok play. but from UTG, it's just going to be just too damn hard to show a profit limping SCs especially this small.

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06-02-2012 04:17 AM #9
daven View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message trolling freetrollers Join Date Aug 2007 Posts 7,103 Location soaking up ethanol, moving on up	Originally Posted by Hoopy Don't limp UTG with anything unless you have a very good reason for doing so, and this will rarely be the case. fyp
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06-03-2012 03:56 AM #10
rpm View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2009 Posts 2,845 Location maaaaaaaaaaate	so you started the hand with thirty-five cents, and then went all-in on the turn twice for a total of $4? you've really confused me here

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06-04-2012 11:49 AM #11
gotigers1234 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2010 Posts 193 Location Looking at Mold	Originally Posted by rpm so you started the hand with thirty-five cents, and then went all-in on the turn twice for a total of $4? you've really confused me here LOL sorry for some reason the Hand History was screwed up. I don't know what the problem is...

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06-04-2012 05:37 PM #12
BorisTheSpider View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2012 Posts 241 Location UK	Originally Posted by rpm so you started the hand with thirty-five cents, and then went all-in on the turn twice for a total of $4? you've really confused me here Indeed, clearly some mistake. Only Chuck Norris can go all-in twice in the same hand.

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