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SinkRox

10-12-2005, 09:30 PM Post subject: 60k hands PokerTracker stats analysis please!

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Just got round to buying PT at last... and after 3hrs my 200meg HH file has finally been imported!

Please take a look and tell me what you make of my stats, all comments and critisim welcome.

[Ive played soley .1/.2 NL 10Seated and some .15/.3 NL 10Seated]

look forward to some feedback

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SinkRox

10-12-2005, 10:35 PM

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im quite dissapointed with my BB/100 ... somewhere else in PT it said it was 6.6 for all my .1/.2 hands but still at 6BB/100 im only earning $3 an hour 5 tabling .1/.2NL! [at apprx 250 hands/hr]

After finding these better stats.. i think i calculated the above wrong. It says below im on $2.43 / 100 hands ... so when im 5tabling i should be earning $6 an hour.. thats more like it.

Loads more decent stats:

Check Raises:

Times: 154
%of possible actions: 0.7, Flop %: 52.6, Turn %: 43.51, River%: 3.9

comments please!

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Greedo017

10-12-2005, 11:17 PM

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this is good! its safe to say you're making money long term, and that is always a very positive thing.

Here are some things I think would help for you to work on in the future.

1. VP$IP - This could sneak up a couple %. I think playing 2-3% more hands preflop would help increase your BB/100.

2. PFR - Your PFR could be higher. This number should really be at least 5%, 6-7 is better.

- something to keep in mind, is when changing things like this, always do it extremely slowly, don't massively change anything, as you're winning and don't want to screw it up.

3. FYI - 250 hands per hour at 6.67 BB/100 is .2 * 2 * 6.67 *2.5 = $6.67 per hour. Remember in PT BB = Big BET = 2 Big Blinds.

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SinkRox

10-12-2005, 11:51 PM

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cheers Greed... 6.67 thats my number man, so close to 666! now i can play and judge my session on my performance and how I played, knowing ive earnt $6.67 an hour no matter what happened THAT particular session bankroll wise

Yeah my PFR% is on the low side, this is deffinatly something to try and work on in my game as the more I raise the more action I'll get, which suits TAG play obviously. I feel it may add more varience so will introduce it slowly in the future.

Experimenting - 200NL 5max.

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Cocco_Bill

10-13-2005, 12:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SinkRox

Building the BR: 20NL and 30NL

You should be building your bankroll bonus whoring poker sites and casinos. Your $/h is dwarfed by what you should be making in bonuses alone.

This month make sure to do

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Never play without a bonus until you build up a sufficient bankroll to play higher.

BTW: You play too tight, especially from the SB!

SinkRox

10-13-2005, 08:19 AM

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Coco the problem is my BR is only ~350! Id imagine you need a good 5-600 to bonus whore effectively... Ill deff get onto this when my BR is big enough and I can hack the 4 day banking delays by loadign in my own money in the mean time.

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biondino

10-13-2005, 02:02 PM

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Interesting stats. You're a bit too tight, but this seems to be healthy caution rather than fear.

I am surprised AA isn't your biggest-paying hand, and I am also surprised that you're only getting 4 BB/100 with KK (I have a BB of 11 for AA and 8 for KK and my overall BB/100 isn't much above yours, albeit after only 20,000 hands recorded).

I would also want to see a few more showdowns if I were you - only 20% is just too low, and means that without a doubt you're throwing away winning hands. But you are winning 60% of the showdowns you see, so clearly you are still playing the best hands correctly.

Are you British? I play at William Hill on the Cryptologic network so it'd be an interesting comparison to swap stats

Staple Gun

10-13-2005, 09:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SinkRox

If you built your BR enough to move up a little bit, you would be making an easy $10/hr even if your performance wast quite as good. DONT move up if you think it will be bad bankroll management or you are not comfortable but in the long run you gotta think about moving up.

Good solid stats BTW looks like you are gonna be very good at this whole poker thing

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Checkways

10-16-2005, 10:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedo017

I agree with this. Man, that's tight. That's crazy tight! But you play like six tables at a time or something crazy, right? I guess I can understand your desire to just nut peddle your way to victory.

Btw, why is your bankroll so low when your net is like $1,200? You've been cashing out? You should definitely save it and try move up.

SinkRox

10-17-2005, 01:28 AM

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yeh I played 5 tables but have now added another 4... so i am partial to folding aq and sometimes even ak in the blinds when facing a raise.

i stupidly spanked my br on rent and a holiday so am now back at square 1 but this time with a job so i can now move up stakes when I hit 1.5k

ps graph now added (checkout the 500BB/10 stack downswing that lasted from 8k-15k hands! there is a section where for 10k hands iwas down! varience eh.)

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Checkways

10-17-2005, 06:16 AM Post subject: Re: 60k hands [url=http://www.flopturnriver.com/Referrals/Po

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Just curious, but what's your BB/Hour since you're playing so many tables?

SinkRox

10-17-2005, 07:13 PM Post subject: Re: 60k hands [url=http://www.flopturnriver.com/Referrals/Po

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Originally Posted by Checkways

Just curious, but what's your BB/Hour since you're playing so many tables?

it says in my stats, overall :
5.82 PTBigBets/100 or 11.64 BigBlinds/100

though at my main level (.1/.2) im running at:
6.67 PTBB/100 or 13.3 BB/100

5 tables really isnt that many and after a while you really do get bored 5 tabling. Since I dont need to get any reads really.. as i nut camp Ive started 9 tabling but its gonna take some getting used to and I only use 1 monitor so have to cascade the windows which is a bit annoying.

I do play very tight as i really hate playing o.o.pos and ive realised the optimal way to play my ultra loose tables is to just nut peddle anyway.. and when i do play a hand im usually the one taking the initiative... all the poker tracker ratings ive found on the internet either rate me as a bird (Tag) or the bomb (Ultra-Aggressor!)

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SinkRox

10-17-2005, 08:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

Quote:

Originally Posted by SinkRox

Building the BR: 20NL and 30NL

You should be building your bankroll bonus whoring poker sites and casinos. Your $/h is dwarfed by what you should be making in bonuses alone.

This month make sure to do
.........

BTW: You play too tight, especially from the SB!

Coco a good mate tried the prima networks but promtly moved away from them!... apparently theyre super tight at the micro stakes even - i.e. no-one calling 7BB PFRs and only calling 4BB PFRs, tiny average pots and players to flop %s in the 30s... we're used to average pots of 25-50BBs and 40-50% players to flops... so im very reluctent to bonus whore there but will deffo be loading into noble for their 100% $600 or 700 bonus when my br is big enough

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CrunchyNuts

10-17-2005, 10:28 PM

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With ~15k hands I cleared 1k big bets worth of bonus ($500) on the party *network* so far this month. It's rock play, but so very worth it. Looking at your graph there it looks like that would be similar to your best 15k hand run. Plus I managed to sustain 4BB/100 during play, so you could say the winnings at the table were the icing on the cake.

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Fnord

10-17-2005, 10:58 PM

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Thanks for posting this. It further confirms a lot of what I've begun to suspect about NLHE.

For what it's worth, I run a 10% PFR in these games *cackle*, although I'm thinking of gearing down to 7-8%...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

SinkRox

10-18-2005, 12:15 AM

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what had u suspected FNord??? something about varience? btw if u wanna lower ur pfr %s my advise would be to raise less in EP-MP with the not-so-premium holdings (kq,aq, mid poket pairs)

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Fnord

10-18-2005, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SinkRox

btw if u wanna lower ur pfr %s my advise would be to raise less in EP-MP with the not-so-premium holdings (kq,aq, mid poket pairs)

I'm saying this not out of disrespect, although over this medium it will come off as snarky.

Camping hands is quite profitable in these games, but certainly not the way to beat these games for the max, nor move up. When your VP$IP/PFR split gets above 10/3.5 and/or your win-rate doubles we'll have a serious pre-flop debate.

I really appreciate the post. It's really helpful and you didn't deserve that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Cocco_Bill

10-18-2005, 12:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SinkRox

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

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Originally Posted by SinkRox

Building the BR: 20NL and 30NL

You only need to break even when bonus whoring to make more $/h than you do nut peddling 20NL. You do have a valid point about your small bankroll though as you don't want to be without money to play with when waiting for transactions. I would say that $2000 is the minimum to effectively bonus whore poker sites and at least $5000-6000 if you also want to whore the high variance casinos(sticky bonuses) where your money will be tied up for long periods. Once you get things on track its very much worth it, I've made about $1500/month for the last 4 months on bonuses alone.

I think your friend is too negative about the game quality on Prima, the 100NL full ring games are not good but clearly beatable and the 100NL 6-max games are pretty good actually. I very much doubt that the 20NL games are any tougher so I'm sure you will be able to at least break even and increase your income!

Surf_Thug

10-18-2005, 04:15 PM

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How do I Post my Poker Tracker Stats on the thread like this?

I know that the Print Screen button coppies it, but I can't seem to paste them on a post.

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CrunchyNuts

10-18-2005, 04:24 PM

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Gotta paste it into Paint, then save it (preferably as .jpg), then upload it somewhere (imageshack seems popular), then link it in your post.

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Demiparadigm

10-19-2005, 08:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

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September stats:

Had an ugly ($200) suckout at $1ooNL, or it would fall closer in line with the others.

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johnny_fish

10-19-2005, 09:19 PM

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Is this 6Max? And could you post some results over a reliable sample size?

I'm also very interested in PT stats of other regulars here.. So show off your skillzz!

Demiparadigm

10-19-2005, 09:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny_fish

Is this 6Max? And could you post some results over a reliable sample size?

I'm also very interested in PT stats of other regulars here.. So show off your skillzz!

No, and No.

This is how I play a full ring game.
2500 hands is enough to be reliable as far as my VP$IP and PFR numbers.
I don't have enough hands to have a reliable sample size as far as winrate goes. That would be in the 500K hand range, and I am primarily a limit player.

To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.

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