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sil693

11-18-2008, 08:01 PM Post subject: 6 25NL hands (possibly a tilted whine post)

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Right, I'm basically getting prawned everytime I try to move back up to 25NL and I believe a lot of it is just running bad and getting coolered lots - but I want to make sure I'm correct. I know this is lots of hands to post in one topic, so I guess I'm not after in depth, detailed discussion - but if anyone feels like letting me know if there are any glaring errors in these hands I'd be very grateful.

Hand 1 - vs 14/10/6

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($10.70)
Button ($29.60)
Hero (SB) ($31.60)
BB ($30.85)
UTG ($25)
MP ($15.05)

Preflop: Hero is SB with

3 folds, Button raises $0.75, Hero calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.75)

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1.25, Hero raises $4.50, Button calls $3.25

Turn: ($10.75)

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $10, Hero calls $10

River: ($30.75)

(2 players)
Hero bets $16.35 (All-In), Button calls $14.35 (All-In)

Total pot: $59.45

Hand 2 - vs 34/17/1.3

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($28.30)
MP2 ($27.85)
CO ($37)
Hero (Button) ($30.20)
SB ($35.30)
BB ($23.25)
UTG ($5.05)
UTG+1 ($2.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with

UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 raises $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $1, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.60)

(3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.50, 1 fold, MP1 calls $1.50

Turn: ($6.60)

(2 players)
MP1 bets $1.50, Hero raises $6, MP1 calls $4.50

River: ($18.60)

(2 players)
MP1 bets $4, Hero raises $21.70 (All-In), MP1 calls $15.80 (All-In)

Total pot: $58.20

Hand 3 - vs 16/10/1.25

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($15)
Hero (UTG) ($28.35)
UTG+1 ($5)
MP1 ($13.50)
MP2 ($52.05)
CO ($25.85)
Button ($12.40)
SB ($4.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with

Hero calls $0.25, UTG+1 (poster) checks, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, BB checks

Flop: ($1.60)

(6 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, 2 folds, CO calls $1.25, Button calls $1.25, 1 fold

Turn: ($5.35)

(3 players)
Hero bets $4, CO raises $11.50, 1 fold, Hero raises $22.85 (All-In), CO calls $12.85 (All-In)

River: ($54.05)

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $54.05

Hand 4 - vs 18/1/3.2

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($25)
SB ($25.35)
BB ($26.25)
UTG ($7.30)
UTG+1 ($25.35)
MP1 ($37.70)
MP2 ($5)
CO ($12)

Preflop: Hero is Button with

5 folds, Hero raises $1, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10)

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB raises $3.75, Hero calls $2.25

Turn: ($9.60)

(2 players)
BB bets $21.50 (All-In), Hero calls $20.25 (All-In)

River: ($50.10)

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $50.10

Hand 5 - vs 12/3/1.5

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($25)
SB ($39.50)
BB ($16.90)
UTG ($21.15)
UTG+1 ($21.20)
MP1 ($8)
MP2 ($27.50)
MP3 ($28.75)
CO ($25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with

1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1.50)

(6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $1, SB calls $1, 1 fold

Turn: ($4.50)

(3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets $2, Hero raises $7.50, SB raises $38.25 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $16.25 (All-In)

River: ($54)

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $54

Hand 6 - vs 21/2.5/2.6

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($44.55)
SB ($25.35)
BB ($10.95)
UTG ($28.50)
UTG+1 ($12.45)
Hero (MP1) ($32.05)
MP2 ($31.40)
MP3 ($24.80)
CO ($22.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with

1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, Hero raises $1.25, 1 fold, MP3 calls $1.25, 5 folds

Flop: ($3.10)

(2 players)
Hero bets $2, MP3 calls $2

Turn: ($7.10)

(2 players)
Hero bets $5, MP3 raises $10, Hero raises $23.80 (All-In), MP3 calls $11.55 (All-In)

River: ($50.20)

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $50.20

sorry if they are all straight forward, thanks for any responses guys.

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CorbinDallas

11-18-2008, 08:33 PM

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Hand #1. IMO you either push the turn or check fold. generally, people at 10 and 25NL don't value bet. big bets usually mean they have it. especially since you showed strength on the flop.

these are basically all cooler hands bro.

hand 2. cooler i don't really like pushing the river. if he has AQ or AK make it 10 or 12. based on the way he played it, you are only getting called if you are behind. he looks so weak.... shoving makes no sense. again... you are playing like most people at this level... you think you have the nuts so you are over betting hoping to get called. make it 8 or 10 and if he has something decent he will call and you get value. if he shoves over your value bet, i suppose you'd have to call then... as a set is to good to fold for 10 more in a giant pot. someone pwn me if giving bad advice there.

hand 3. total cooler. raise 33 UTG.

hand 4. AGAIN... these people bet big when they really have it. 90% of people at 10NL and 25NL check call draws even gutshots (save a OESDF) but check raise sets and sometimes over pairs. some may disagree but a fold is viable. if you want to get all the money in just reraise again on the flop. it looks like you called the CR to re-evaluate... and then changed your mind on the turn and called. still... you were 2 outed... cooler.

hand 5. please raise limpers on the button with ANY hand you want to see a flop with. again... the guy CRaises over bets for "value". very transparent at this level. a fold is valid... but its still a cooler. IMExperience... these players don't bluff much at all... certainly not for stacks... and bet huge when they have it... praying they get paid off. on a side note... i personally do not like connectors below 67... cuz 45 splits with A3 but 67 pwns them.

hand 6. complete cooler. nice hand. you played it well.

a500lbgorilla

11-18-2008, 09:03 PM

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please explain hand 1

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.

Fnord

11-18-2008, 09:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

please explain hand 1

I don't hate his line if he did it for the right reasons. Although I think I'm check/shipping the turn. So many worse hands check behind the river missing what otherwise would be a value bet of a worse hand from a stronger player, so we need to ship the turn or block the river.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

a500lbgorilla

11-18-2008, 09:10 PM

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I think c/call is the worst line for the turn. Maybe it's slightly better than c/fold.

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.

Fnord

11-18-2008, 09:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

I think c/call is the worst line for the turn. Maybe it's slightly better than c/fold.

Can't bring myself to check/fold top set against a button open. One of those spots where I'm giving action to flush and hope he's bruffing some % of the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

CorbinDallas

11-18-2008, 09:32 PM

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much respect to you guys but...

do you guys ever play 25NL? you guys are at much higher levels no? at least 1/2 if not 2/4+??

in my experience... people RARELY bluff off their whole stack. people generally play so weak at this level... that when the bet big they usually have it. the maniacs stick out like a sore thumb cuz everyone else is generally so tight. people play generic abc poker... when they bet big they have it.

if others have different observations at 25NL please chime in.

please slap me if i'm out of line.

Quote:

guys he's just looking to complain about taking coolers/beats

he'll continue to be the type of poker player we all love, the one that isn't any good but thinks he is, and slowly donates to the regulars.

Fnord

11-18-2008, 09:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

do you guys ever play 25NL?

I'm familar with tight and less aggressive opponents which sounds like this guy. Also I play a fair amount of live poker.

In a more aggressive game this becomes a laughably easy felt, I understand your reservations in a more passive game.

The 25NL spin in this is that his turn bet is a better hand more often and when he has a worse hand he's checking behind the river.

Stronger players are betting the turn more often and have a wider value bet range and bluff frequency on the river.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

CorbinDallas

11-18-2008, 09:42 PM

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i agree. in an aggressive game... villain just picked up a huge draw on the turn. but we are still ahead... and have outs... so ship it.

Fnord

11-18-2008, 09:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

villain just picked up a huge draw on the turn.

No, scare card hit and we showed weakness. May not mean anything about his hand unless he checks back something with showdown value.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

CorbinDallas

11-18-2008, 09:50 PM

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ah. yes... i like that. sounds like poker.

jackvance

11-18-2008, 11:16 PM

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If you lost all of these hands, that's a major cooler.. you can lay down hand 4, maybe hand 1 if you want to be very nitty, but the rest look perfectly ok to me even if you know they only bet strong hands big..

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CorbinDallas

11-19-2008, 02:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jackvance

yup 4 and 1 are the only ones where a fold has merit.

i don't like the river bet with 222.

and you shoulda raised on the button with 45s.

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