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chatzilla

11-27-2009, 03:51 AM Post subject: 5nl Spots / Ranging Crit

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What's up guys? I just moved up from 2nl and have played about 2k hands at 5nl and everything seems to be going great

Here's a few spots that I'd love some opinions on. I'll post my stats for review once I get to 10k hands

So anyway here we go..

HAND 1:

Villain is playing pretty honest poker with 16/13/2.2 over around 150 hands.

$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
9 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Hero ($5.24)
UTG+1 poo500 ($9.90)
MP1 sKlier ($14.78)
MP2 Quadrafoil ($3.35)
MP3 Sadon76 ($6.26)
CO cuacisdead ($5.44)
BTN LuxuryGame ($3.05)
SB brapez ($2)
BB PGMedia ($5.37)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 9 players) Hero is UTG

Hero raises to $0.25, 4 folds, cuacisdead calls $0.25, 2 folds, PGMedia calls $0.20

Flop:

($0.77, 3 players)
PGMedia checks, Hero bets $0.50, cuacisdead calls $0.50, PGMedia folds

Turn:

($1.77, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.75, cuacisdead goes all-in $4.69, Hero?????????????

Reviewing the hand now I put the Villain on a range of AT,KQ,KT,QT,K2o+ pokerstove gives me 64.776% equity on the turn.
Is my range about right? or am I just retarded? lol

HAND 2:

Villain is running 21/14/2.0 in a very small sample of hands around 20

$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
8 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Hero ($5.21)
UTG+1 Tiago93 ($2.88)
MP1 Abruzzi08 ($2.62)
MP2 cuacisdead ($5)
CO Lasallegrous ($0.89)
BTN pgomes77 ($4.59)
SB MrDrEvil2u ($5.95)
BB LoveUpssy ($6.17)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 8 players) Hero is UTG

Hero raises to $0.25, Tiago93 calls $0.25, 1 fold, cuacisdead calls $0.25, 4 folds

Flop:

($0.82, 3 players)
Hero bets $0.70, Tiago93 goes all-in $2.63, cuacisdead folds, Hero ?????????????????

The villain seems fairly credible so i doubt hes calling preflop raises with 87s at best from MP2. Although i only have a small sample size on him and he was calling behind another caller.
So i range him on JJ-99,44,AhJh,KhJh and poker stove gives me 42.736%

Was it wrong to bet the flop? I figured I was ahead and that he missed with 2 overs and would be scared of the board. Or that he would call behind and I would make a queen high flush. Again I'd love some crit on my ranging

HAND 3:

Villain isn't credible at all running 56/6/0.8 over around 100 hands ( lolfishy!

)

$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
9 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG PGMedia ($4.64)
UTG+1 Hero ($7.62)
MP1 ri_99 ($3.49)
MP2 sKlier ($9.93)
MP3 Shainonpavin ($5.51)
CO RAISEBETCALL ($18.20)
BTN cuacisdead ($5)
SB atriggerfish ($5.62)
BB 28101969 ($5.81)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 9 players) Hero is UTG+1

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.25, ri_99 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Shainonpavin calls $0.25, 4 folds

Flop:

($0.82, 3 players)
Hero bets $0.55, ri_99 folds, Shainonpavin calls $0.55

Turn:

($1.92, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.80, Shainonpavin raises to $3.60, Hero raises to $5.40, Shainonpavin goes all-in $1.11

River:

($12.03, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $12.03

RESULT:
Shainonpavin shows a full house, Sevens full of Sixes (6c, 7d)

Hero shows two pair, Kings and Sevens (Kh, Kd)

Shainonpavin wins $10.79 (net +$5.28)

Now I really don't know how to handle situations with fish like this, they will easily push with 6x or T kicker. So bad beat or dumb shit play by me?

Hopefully you can understand what I thinking and send advice my way on how to improve my game.

Thanks heaps if you read all that and/or replied

*Edited to fix typo*

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Pelion

11-27-2009, 12:43 PM Post subject: Re: 5nl Spots / Ranging Crit

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Its a really good start that youre using pokerstove and trying to put people on ranges, but think about it a bit more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chatzilla

Villain is playing pretty honest poker with 16/13/2.2 over around 150 hands.

What stats do you show up as? Do you play hands like K2o? A 16/13 isnt crazy loose. He might play reasonably loose from late position (i.e. blind stealing), or he might play a few too many offsuit broadways from early positions, but he isnt going to be calling raises with crap like K2o. In general this guy is playing pretty tight and is going to have pretty decent hands most of the time. Even QT might optimistic. You could see TT or 55 here here though since people like to sethunt them and call flop, raise turn is a fairly standard line with sets.

Hand 2:

Quote:

Was it wrong to bet the flop? I figured I was ahead and that he missed with 2 overs and would be scared of the board. Or that he would call behind and I would make a queen high flush. Again I'd love some crit on my ranging

This guy seems a little bit loose for full ring so I wouldnt be surprised if there were more Axs or suited connector combos he could have here. He could also have stuff like top pair with the A or K high flush draw. Your logic is really flawed here though. You were hoping that you were ahead and he would be scared of the board? Why would you want him to be scared and presumably fold when you are ahead? Or do you mean he shoves because hes scared? I dont really get what youre saying here :P.

Hand 3: This guys AF is less than 1. That means he doesnt raise without a monster. He also plays virtually all of the hands that connect with this board. Figure out how what hands are a monster on this board, and figure out how many of them you are ahead of. Id guess its pretty close to 0%.

Anyway, gogo put them on better ranges

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Vinland

11-27-2009, 05:08 PM

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Hand one villain will not show up with K2-K9, and I dont think you beat better than TPTK.

Hand 2 I think I still bet here on the flop and I call his shove. He is probably still behind...and probably has some bluffs/semi bluffs in there enough to call this.

Hand 3 sucks...I prob would have called but Pelion is right, his aggression is so low that he doesnt do this w/o the goods

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spoonitnow

11-27-2009, 06:09 PM

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Hand 1: You're being too optimistic with the range you're putting him on. Why do you think he could have K2o? Why don't you think he would play sets this way? Etc.

Hand 2: You forgot AhKh. Here you should know what you're going to do against a shove before you bet (which should probably be get it in against this guy, against the other guy is trickier because it's deeper).

Hand 3: Where's the range? It's like running into a cooler shut your brain off.

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linaker

11-27-2009, 06:34 PM

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Hand 1: 16/13 means the villain is not very fond of calling and prefers to raise. You also raised from UTG, so that should tighten his calling range, although maybe that's giving him too much credit. Preflop, I would estimate his range as 77 - JJ, AT-AQ, maybe KQ, KJs, QJs. I think he would continue with all those on the flop, except 77- 99 and maybe AQ. I agree with the others that it's a stretch for QT to be in his range and I would bet a lot that K9- is not there. I think by including K2o+, you are thinking about his range on the turn, not what his range would be preflop and on the flop. Even if he did call pre-flop with Ks7s, do you think a pretty honest, reasonable player would have called with that on the flop?

Hand 2. With QQ, I would bet that flop. His shove indicates to me that he is less likely to have an Ace or King high flush. I think a high flush is more likely to call, especially with an opponent behind and no picture card on the board. I would read his shove as a low flush, a set or possibly TPGK, afraid of you having a higher heart or an Ahx, Khx or maybe even Jhx hand that is semi bluffing.

Hand 3. I agree with the others that the turn raise means business. He's just not doing that on this board with KT or A6. It is very hard to fold Kings though.

chatzilla

11-27-2009, 09:36 PM

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Thank you guys so much for taking the time to reply I really appreciate it a lot. I agree totally, I defiantly need lots and lots more practice with ranging but its nice to see I'm not toooooo far off haha

I'm going away today for a week so don't miss me too much in IRC lol. I'm looking forward to getting back and taking all your crit onboard

catch ya guys

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