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SushiWizard

03-25-2009, 12:39 AM Post subject: 5nl Multiway pot. Did I make huge mistake on turn?

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Hey guys,
This hand is from 5nl and Basically Im wondering if I had a better option than to check this turn card. On the flop I chose to raise the utg bet basically because I had seen the bettor lead flops with very trashy to medium strength hands. I also didnt worry too much about the MP call, I pegged him on a draw or maybe a Jack. In either case I expected them both to come along. An interesting Turn card came though.. My immediate reaction when the card came off was to just pot it , but the MP tanked for a good 10 seconds and then decided to check... I guess it threw me off a bit and I decided to check and call any reasonable river bets. Anyway here is the hand:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($3.42)
UTG ($5.67)
MP ($6)
Hero (Button) ($14.83)
SB ($10.27)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9

, J

UTG calls $0.05, MP (poster) checks, Hero calls $0.05, 1 fold, BB checks

Flop: ($0.22) 4

, 7

, 9

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $0.15, MP calls $0.15, Hero raises to $1.10, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.95, MP calls $0.95

Turn: ($3.52) J

(3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.52) Q

(3 players)
UTG bets $0.50, MP calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Total pot: $5.02 | Rake: $0.20

After the hand was over I wanted to shoot myself, Am I really that afraid of MP having 8T there? I think I just played too scared but im not sure, any suggestions?

{Edited by Stax to remove results}

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Stacks

03-25-2009, 12:55 AM

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OP, please refrain from including results in your HH. It will sway the opinions of the individuals replying. Therefore, you won't get the best advice possible.

As far as how the hand was played, I don't raise flop. And I do bet turn. You must realize that T8 is such a small portion of their ranges.

mieczkowusc

03-25-2009, 12:58 AM

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First off, I don't mind the limp behind, but I would much rather be raising J9s on the button, especially when there is a poster. You will be taking down dead money most of the time and you set yourself to control a bigger pot in position.

I don't really understand why you raise the flop, and also so big. If you are going to raise, I would have made it .75 or so.

Why aren't you betting the turn? There are plenty of draws that you can be charging and you will definitely be getting called by worse a lot of the time.

Edit: Stacks beat me to it.

Kbryce23

03-25-2009, 12:58 AM

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I would fold preflop, but I only play FR so I dont kno. I would also just call the flop. If you do raise I dont think it should be so large, maybe like .60. I would definately bet the turn like 2/3 pot.

KeeKoLy

03-25-2009, 02:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by XxStacksxX

As far as how the hand was played, I don't raise flop.

Why? (I believe you are correct, but for my sake and the sake of others, lets discuss why)

What do we know so far from his reads. UTG will bet flop with medium strength hands. We also know MP1 posted so his range could be huge.

So either we don't want to raise because we may chase a potential caller away, or we don't want to raise because we do not infact have a very strong hand yet. (I am sure there is another option which is the right one I have missed).

The effective stacks here are almost $6, yet the pot size on the flop is not large in comparison (0.22), so if we did plan to "get it in" by the end, we had better start on the flop.

This board is not "drawy", the possible draws are only draws to a straight with hands like T8 or 56, usually unlikely hands for an UTG call.

So I believe the correct play is to simply call the river in hopes of getting MP1 to come along, building a bigger pot with which we can push a little on the turn?

Am I anywhere close?

Stacks

03-25-2009, 02:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KeeKoLy

Quote:

Originally Posted by XxStacksxX

As far as how the hand was played, I don't raise flop.

Why? (I believe you are correct, but for my sake and the sake of others, lets discuss why)?

Well, the thing is this. While we are very likely to have the best hand at this time, are we going to be ahead of the range of hands villain calls the flop raise with? In this case, it depends. And I think we do have a good chance of being ahead, as it's a limped pot, and it's kinda coordinated. So I don't hate a raise. However, we have to keep in mind that our hand is kinda weak. If we raise, and villain 3bets the flop, we have to fold, which obviously sucks.

Also, we could potentially be driving out hands that we would be able to extract value from on later streets. For instance if villain folds 87, 98, 88 here, then we have possibly missed out on another street, or two, of value. In theory, we should bet or raise if we have greater than 50% against the range of hands villain is calling with, UNLESS we stand to have a higher expected value by checking/calling and getting value on later streets. With a hand such as this, I think we likely stand to make more money by calling and either inducing bluffs on later streets, or getting thin value. Rather than building the pot in a multiway flop with a relatively weak holding.

Also, what range of hands that we beat do we expect villain to call the raise with, and put money in on later streets (when we are still ahead)? I mean, it's villain dependent, but I would expect them to not continue incredibly light.

AFchung

03-25-2009, 03:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kbryce23

9Js is definitely a good enough hand on the button. especially with dead money om nom nom

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bigspenda73

03-25-2009, 07:29 AM

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