5nl linecheck JJ utg facing 3b

**Imthenewfish** · 07-23-2010 06:02 PM

villain is on two of my tables and is running 35/30 over 60 hands. villains 3bet 0/25. yaawn pointed out that if he really is only 3betting KK+ then I can probably setmine getting 13 to 1. I just feel like I didn't really know where i was at anywhere in this hand. river is obv a b/f.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($15.30)
Button ($9.83)
SB ($8.92)
BB ($17.12)
Hero (UTG) ($5.49)
MP ($5.53)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J

, J

Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, CO raises $0.60, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.27) 5

, 9

, 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($3.27) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($3.27) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.60

**PlayToWin** · 07-23-2010 06:18 PM

I thin you should have bet the Turn about $2.25. The River would probably be a check/fold.

**Imthenewfish** · 07-23-2010 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by PlayToWin

I thin you should have bet the Turn about $2.25. Then checked behind River.

I'm oop so i can't check behind river..

**Imthenewfish** · 07-23-2010 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by PlayToWin

I thin you should have bet the Turn about $2.25. The River would probably be a check/fold.

reason for wanting to donk so much on turn?

**Keith** · 07-23-2010 06:28 PM

with his stats and 0/25 3bet I'd be thinking along the lines KK,AA,AK as his 3betting range unless he showed down otherwise. I think I'd check call up to half pot here as half his 3betting combinations are AK. Betting the river here will fold out those AK combos that you beat and let him shove over with his AA KK. If you check the river , it lets him bluff with his AK and if he shoves you saved yourself the $1.60.

**PlayToWin** · 07-23-2010 06:30 PM

Yea, i edited my first post.....

I think it's a strong line to take, since you called the near-pot flop bet. I think villian bets the flop, when checked to, a lot as a bluff. We want to bet enough on the Turn to rep a strong hand. We can get villian to fold overcards. You do have a good hand, so we could call it a semi-bluff.

**PlayToWin** · 07-23-2010 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Imthenewfish

reason for wanting to donk so much on turn?

The pot is $3.27, so $2.25 is not that big of a bet, imo.

**Keith** · 07-23-2010 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by PlayToWin

I thin you should have bet the Turn about $2.25. The River would probably be a check/fold.

once he bets 2.25 on the turn theres only about $1.66 left behind and a $8.77 pot so virtually committed to calling the river as well getting 5 or 6 to 1 to call a river bet

**PlayToWin** · 07-23-2010 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

once he bets 2.25 on the turn theres only about $1.66 left behind and a $8.77 pot so virtually committed to calling the river as well getting 5 or 6 to 1 to call a river bet

That's a very good point. I just glanced at the stack sizes and, at a glance, I thought everyone was deep.

So, given stack size of OP, Keith is probably right.

**Penneywize** · 07-23-2010 06:57 PM

I hate to disagree with players that are better than me, but, even with wonky stats and weirdly absent 3-betting range, 60 hands just isn't enough for me to narrow things down to KK and AA, even AK, KK+ seems too narrow. 60 hands is tarded, I've probably run 35/30 over 60 hands before with 0% 3-bet and I play full ring and am a retardo-nit.

With this in mind I'd comment on hand more but I'm at work so hopefully more later.

**Imthenewfish** · 07-23-2010 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by PlayToWin

The pot is $3.27, so $2.25 is not that big of a bet, imo.

1.7 bet accomplishes like exactly the same thing as a blocking bet but saves you $0.50

**PlayToWin** · 07-23-2010 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Imthenewfish

1.7 bet accomplishes like exactly the same thing as a blocking bet but saves you $0.50

You might be right. You could be wrong.

**Donachello** · 07-23-2010 07:37 PM

Looks fine to me though I assume your bet on the river is hoping for a call from AK? You might get that I guess. I'd probably bet like $1 since that is even more likely to be called by AK. If you think he only has AA and KK at this point though then obv check.

**Imthenewfish** · 07-23-2010 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Donachello

Looks fine to me though I assume your bet on the river is hoping for a call from AK? You might get that I guess. I'd probably bet like $1 since that is even more likely to be called by AK. If you think he only has AA and KK at this point though then obv check.

I definately think he would bet the turn with kings or aces, but I'm not really sure if it's safe to assume his preflop range is KK+,AK

07-23-2010 06:02 PM #1
Imthenewfish View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Apr 2010 Posts 1,107	5nl linecheck JJ utg facing 3b villain is on two of my tables and is running 35/30 over 60 hands. villains 3bet 0/25. yaawn pointed out that if he really is only 3betting KK+ then I can probably setmine getting 13 to 1. I just feel like I didn't really know where i was at anywhere in this hand. river is obv a b/f. No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com CO ($15.30) Button ($9.83) SB ($8.92) BB ($17.12) Hero (UTG) ($5.49) MP ($5.53) Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, CO raises $0.60, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.40 Flop: ($1.27) 5, 9, 6 (2 players) Hero checks, CO bets $1, Hero calls $1 Turn: ($3.27) 5 (2 players) Hero checks, CO checks River: ($3.27) 6 (2 players) Hero bets $1.60

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07-23-2010 06:18 PM #2
PlayToWin View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2008 Posts 679	I thin you should have bet the Turn about $2.25. The River would probably be a check/fold.
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07-23-2010 06:21 PM #3
Imthenewfish View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Apr 2010 Posts 1,107	Originally Posted by PlayToWin I thin you should have bet the Turn about $2.25. Then checked behind River. I'm oop so i can't check behind river..

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07-23-2010 06:22 PM #4
Imthenewfish View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Apr 2010 Posts 1,107	Originally Posted by PlayToWin I thin you should have bet the Turn about $2.25. The River would probably be a check/fold. reason for wanting to donk so much on turn?

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07-23-2010 06:28 PM #5
Keith View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2008 Posts 2,793	with his stats and 0/25 3bet I'd be thinking along the lines KK,AA,AK as his 3betting range unless he showed down otherwise. I think I'd check call up to half pot here as half his 3betting combinations are AK. Betting the river here will fold out those AK combos that you beat and let him shove over with his AA KK. If you check the river , it lets him bluff with his AK and if he shoves you saved yourself the $1.60.

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07-23-2010 06:30 PM #6
PlayToWin View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2008 Posts 679	Yea, i edited my first post..... I think it's a strong line to take, since you called the near-pot flop bet. I think villian bets the flop, when checked to, a lot as a bluff. We want to bet enough on the Turn to rep a strong hand. We can get villian to fold overcards. You do have a good hand, so we could call it a semi-bluff.
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07-23-2010 06:40 PM #7
PlayToWin View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2008 Posts 679	Originally Posted by Imthenewfish reason for wanting to donk so much on turn? The pot is $3.27, so $2.25 is not that big of a bet, imo.
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07-23-2010 06:41 PM #8
Keith View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2008 Posts 2,793	Originally Posted by PlayToWin I thin you should have bet the Turn about $2.25. The River would probably be a check/fold. once he bets 2.25 on the turn theres only about $1.66 left behind and a $8.77 pot so virtually committed to calling the river as well getting 5 or 6 to 1 to call a river bet

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07-23-2010 06:51 PM #9
PlayToWin View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2008 Posts 679	Originally Posted by Keith_MM once he bets 2.25 on the turn theres only about $1.66 left behind and a $8.77 pot so virtually committed to calling the river as well getting 5 or 6 to 1 to call a river bet That's a very good point. I just glanced at the stack sizes and, at a glance, I thought everyone was deep. So, given stack size of OP, Keith is probably right.
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07-23-2010 06:57 PM #10
Penneywize View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2005 Posts 2,041	I hate to disagree with players that are better than me, but, even with wonky stats and weirdly absent 3-betting range, 60 hands just isn't enough for me to narrow things down to KK and AA, even AK, KK+ seems too narrow. 60 hands is tarded, I've probably run 35/30 over 60 hands before with 0% 3-bet and I play full ring and am a retardo-nit. With this in mind I'd comment on hand more but I'm at work so hopefully more later.

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07-23-2010 07:16 PM #11
Imthenewfish View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Apr 2010 Posts 1,107	Originally Posted by PlayToWin The pot is $3.27, so $2.25 is not that big of a bet, imo. 1.7 bet accomplishes like exactly the same thing as a blocking bet but saves you $0.50

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07-23-2010 07:29 PM #12
PlayToWin View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2008 Posts 679	Originally Posted by Imthenewfish 1.7 bet accomplishes like exactly the same thing as a blocking bet but saves you $0.50 You might be right. You could be wrong.
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07-23-2010 07:37 PM #13
Donachello View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2009 Posts 1,230 Location TROLOLOLOLOL	Looks fine to me though I assume your bet on the river is hoping for a call from AK? You might get that I guess. I'd probably bet like $1 since that is even more likely to be called by AK. If you think he only has AA and KK at this point though then obv check.
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07-23-2010 07:40 PM #14
Imthenewfish View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Apr 2010 Posts 1,107	Originally Posted by Donachello Looks fine to me though I assume your bet on the river is hoping for a call from AK? You might get that I guess. I'd probably bet like $1 since that is even more likely to be called by AK. If you think he only has AA and KK at this point though then obv check. I definately think he would bet the turn with kings or aces, but I'm not really sure if it's safe to assume his preflop range is KK+,AK

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