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EasyPoker
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05-01-2010, 10:55 PM
Post subject: 5nl JJ BTN vs Unknown and wildman
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Full House
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Here, CO was 68/32/36, so I want to know whether I was right to 3bet here. I guess he has a pretty wide range.
I also would like guidance on what the best postflop play would have been given the stack sizes. I had no reads or stats on villain at this time. Given his range could have been anything 99+,KQs+
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($7.18)
Hero (Button) ($4.57)
SB ($4.59)
BB ($2.95)
UTG ($3.30)
MP ($5.45)
Preflop: Hero is Button with J , J
1 fold, MP calls $0.05, CO bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, SB calls $0.78, 3 folds
Flop: ($1.90) 10 , 9, A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.90, SB raises to $3.79 (All-In), Hero folds
Total pot: $3.70 | Rake: $0.15
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[20:19] <Zill4> god
[20:19] <Zill4> u guys
[20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
[20:19] <Zill4> and dumb
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kiwiMark
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This is a good thread:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ce-109250.html
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EasyPoker
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Full House
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Are you levelling me?
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[20:19] <Zill4> god
[20:19] <Zill4> u guys
[20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
[20:19] <Zill4> and dumb
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kiwiMark
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Nope. It's not a hand from a ring game on an A9T flop where villain holds JJ, but there's definitely thinking in there that it looks like you would benefit from applying here.
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EasyPoker
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Full House
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ok ty
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[20:19] <Zill4> god
[20:19] <Zill4> u guys
[20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
[20:19] <Zill4> and dumb
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Poker Guru
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Two Pair
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Well played. 3bet pre, bet/fold flop is fine.
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tyrn
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Straight
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Vs this villain in particular I think betting the flop is good. Obviously his range PF includes lots of hands like TJ, 89, and small pairs. I think you can get a call from these type of hands here. If villain was 15/10 checking behind would make more sense, but I think you're losing value vs this guy if you check behind. The good thing is he's hardly ever bluffing when he shoves, maybe he has JQ sometimes, but i think he has something like A5 most of the time.
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kiwiMark
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People should note the stats posted aren't for villain.
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rong
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Full House
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I'd play that almost identical to how you did aside from betting more on the flop, maybe $1.50, but otherwise the same. I don't like a bet of less than half the pot.
But the question of why am I betting is something I've started asking myself a lot more, and in this case, what will call that is worse? What will fold that is better? So maybe check flop.
Also, how come you started with $4.57? No auto rebuy?
(edited as kiwi pointed out that I don't read well when drinking)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
hey guys, if you ever make a snap call on the river when your opponent raises you're fucking retarded.
Fucking. Retarded.
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kiwiMark
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We're also not OOP.
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EasyPoker
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Full House
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DanAronG
I'd play that almost identical to how you did aside from betting more on the flop, maybe $1.50, but otherwise the same. I don't like a bet of less than half the pot.
But the question of why am I betting is something I've started asking myself a lot more, and in this case, what will call that is worse? What will fold that is better? So maybe check flop.
Also, how come you started with $4.57? No auto rebuy?
(edited as kiwi pointed out that I don't read well when drinking)
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It rebuys when I get slightly fewer BBs.
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[20:19] <Zill4> god
[20:19] <Zill4> u guys
[20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
[20:19] <Zill4> and dumb
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rpm
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4-of-a-Kind
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if you have en edge in these games, set it to rebuy when you fall below 100bb. as played i like 3betting JJ against the guy you were hoping to iso because his range is wide and he's probably terrible. i don't really like betting this flop against an unknown SB caller though. to be honest i cant really say why, it just seems like you're never getting called by worse, and hand protection doesn't seem very applicable because the board isn't particularly dangerous for your hand if you are currently in front. i probably check behind. think of it this way. of the range you assigned him preflop (99+,KQs) how do you think he plays each hand in that range and, taking into account how probable each hand is, what would it be best to do with your JJ as a result?
99 3 combos
TT 3 combos
JJ 1 combo
QQ 6 combos
KK 6 combos
AA 3 combos
KQs 4 combos
AK 12 combos
AQ 12 combos
AJ 6 combos
are you betting to get him to fold his 12 total possible combos of QQ,KK?
betting to pay off sets and top pair hands that never fold?
betting for protection against 2 outs to a gutterball?
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EasyPoker
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Full House
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I start at 100bb though, so I guess you're suggesting I keep it there all the time? I think I rebuy whenever it falls below 80bb so $4.
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[20:19] <Zill4> god
[20:19] <Zill4> u guys
[20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
[20:19] <Zill4> and dumb
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rpm
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4-of-a-Kind
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if you want to, yeah. if you are adequately rolled and believe you have an edge against this certain group of opponents seated as they are at this particular table playing 100bb deep no limit holdem, then the stack-size decision with the highest EV is presumably 100bb right?
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Santo2True
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Straight
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I actually have mine set to rebuy anything below 250bb. Only reason is so i don't have to mess with it when i join a 250bb table and at any other table it will rebuy as soon as i put a bb in on the next hand.
If you wonder why easypoker so when you got a hand to get it all in with you can get max profit and double up $5 rather then say $3.75 etc etc and you're never shortstacked
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"Those who say it can't be done, shouldn't interrupt those who are doing it"
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rpm
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4-of-a-Kind
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i auto top-up to 250bb whenever i fall under 250bb too. but 100bb is ("was" now i guess) the standard max buy-in for all levels above 5nl at stars, and the stack size internet holdem players are most likely to find themselves with, so no harm in getting used to it i guess.
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ljove
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3-of-a-Kind
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Hi guys.
Why is so important to play with full stack.
I always sit with full stack but I don't use autorebuy option.
Lot of people plays shortstacked or halfstacked and there is no guaranteed full stack all in with nuts or AA
That was good fold
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Fnord
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I snap call this.
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rpm
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4-of-a-Kind
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care to elaborate on why Fnord? do you think we are bluff catching here? or is villain jamming worse for value?
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Hoopy
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Full House
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Check back the flop - it's unlikely that you'll fold any Ax in his range with a cbet and value betting is too thin. By checking back we keep the pot small and allow him to bluff with air. Think Fnord is saying snap call if this was against the CO.
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Hoopy
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Full House
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Check back flop - we are unlikely to bluff him off any Ax hand and value betting is too thin. By checking back we give him the chance to bluff with air. Think Fnord is saying it's a snap call if the CO does this.
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Carroters
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4-of-a-Kind
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Yeah I'm checking this flop back for sure.
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d0zer
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checking back flop is also good cuz it allows him to reveal something about his hand through his bet sizing. Quite often people playing 60% of hands have massive bet sizing tells and they're easy to notice cuz they're in every pot.
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Fnord
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Yeah, snap this against a guy play 60/30 and running aggro/weird lines post-flop. Betting here against the SB is pretty bad unless you think you can get him off of KK/QQ/JJ? Otherwise, this is an each check back and prey for a turned Jack.
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littleogre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by d0zer
checking back flop is also good cuz it allows him to reveal something about his hand through his bet sizing. Quite often people playing 60% of hands have massive bet sizing tells and they're easy to notice cuz they're in every pot.
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yea a lot of them keep there betting size in line with their hand strength. Big bet=big hand little bet= little hand or a draw.
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rpm
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4-of-a-Kind
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Yeah, snap this against a guy play 60/30 and running aggro/weird lines post-flop. Betting here against the SB is pretty bad unless you think you can get him off of KK/QQ/JJ? Otherwise, this is an each check back and prey for a turned Jack.
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oh good haha. i thought you were advocating bet/snapcalling a c/shove on the flop against the unknown SB.
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