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JoeHaw
Old 08-30-2009, 10:23 PM     Post subject: 5NL: hands that gave me trouble #1 (permalink)  
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1: AK preflop after a raise and 3bet two different types of opponents
2: TPTK on drawy board vs. minraise- I bluff turn
3: Combo draw shove
4: 88 villain overbets pot river line check
5: TPQK for stacks
6: AQ again
7: Another AQ for stacks


HAND 1

$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG malaka610 ($7.83)
UTG+1 JaJa89 ($9.95)
MP1 F3uRn ($1.85)
MP2 MacShorty ($6.11)
MP3 tillekills ($10.14)
CO TheOne2006 ($10.96)
BTN autorität ($2.00)
SB mark0x0 ($4.57)
BB Hero ($5.97)

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 9 players) Hero is BB
1 fold, JaJa89 raises to $0.20, F3uRn raises to $0.45, 5 folds, Hero calls $0.40, JaJa89 goes all-in $9.95, F3uRn folds, Hero folds

JaJa89 runs 15/4/.8 over 223 and hasn't 3bet yet. F3urn is 43/14/inf over 14 w no 3bet either. I think I'm easily ahead of F3urn's 3bet range and I think I would just go ahead and ship it against him (shorty) if JaJa89 wasn't there, which really threw me off, because I'm probably behind both his 4bet range and 4bet calling range. Is it okay to just call here and fold if he 4bets?

Final Pot: $1.37

JaJa89 wins $10.87 ( won +$0.92 )
Hero lost -$0.45
F3uRn lost -$0.45
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HAND 2

$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG MAREALagent ($10.78)
UTG+1 baldsta46 ($11.41)
MP1 schultz@16 ($7.18)
MP2 ulises2 ($7.55)
CO eetbiltong ($4.55)
BTN BoJack53 ($5.03)
SB sawsel ($6.75)
BB Hero ($5.70)

Villain is 38/12/2.5 over 137 w 38% won money at showdown

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 8 players) Hero is BB
MAREALagent calls $0.05, 5 folds, sawsel calls $0.03, Hero raises to $0.30, MAREALagent calls $0.25, sawsel calls $0.25

Standard

Flop: ($0.90, 3 players)
sawsel checks, Hero bets $0.75, MAREALagent raises to $1.50, sawsel folds, Hero calls $0.75

Okay the lead is good I think, but when he minraises me I put him on:

99 88 J9 J8 JT JQ JK QT T7s

I don't really think he's minraising hands like TT or draws without a pair here.

I have 33% equity against, but I have to catch an ace for some of that equity, and I'm only calling for the turn, not the river. I think I need something like 29% to call here- but I think it's actually a fold here.

Turn: ($3.90, 2 players)
Hero bets $2.15, MAREALagent raises to $4.30, Hero folds

After I made the call (mistakenly?) I figure this is a really card to bluff at. If I bet >$2 I don't think he'll continue without the straight. The flop range I put him on has 32 combos of hands that aren't a straight right now, and 24 that are. I think this was a good card to bluff at, but should I have bet more?

Final Pot: $8.20

MAREALagent wins $9.95 ( won +$3.85 )
sawsel lost -$0.30
Hero lost -$3.95

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HAND 3

$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Loki_New ($4.58)
UTG+1 FullOnTilts ($4.91)
MP1 thecash.cn ($5.08)
MP2 FlaGolfer ($4.80)
MP3 dieg0y2 ($4.10)
CO drtekai ($11.88)
BTN Hero ($6.55)
SB 2rdubyaz ($5.00)
BB ubi76 ($2.00)

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 9 players) Hero is BTN
4 folds, dieg0y2 raises to $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10, 2 folds

He's 43/22/6.3 over 66 and I have position and decent odds so I think it's fine.

Flop: ($0.27, 2 players)
dieg0y2 checks, Hero bets $0.20, dieg0y2 raises to $0.40, Hero goes all-in $6.45, dieg0y2 goes all-in $3.60

ergh. He's probably minraising me w draws, two pair, sets, TPGK- anyways, I figure my equity is probably pretty close to 50% and he's folding enough to make it profitable. Calling seems good here too though...+

Turn: ($10.72, 2 players)

River: ($10.72, 2 players)

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HAND 4
$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG jurka444 ($13.02)
UTG+1 Dr.Karotte ($10.28)
MP1 Yorkiface ($10.71)
MP2 daniloko08 ($4.93)
CO Hero ($9.00)
BTN Oepsie ($11.79)
SB Cachaloton ($7.38)
BB teerajaja ($5.00)

Villain is 28/5/2 over 120. I think the river's a pretty obvious fold but I'm wondering about other streets.

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 8 players) Hero is CO
1 fold, Dr.Karotte calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, 3 folds, Dr.Karotte calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.57, 2 players)
Dr.Karotte checks, Hero bets $0.35, Dr.Karotte raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.45

Turn: ($2.17, 2 players)
Dr.Karotte checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.17, 2 players)
Dr.Karotte bets $4.15, Hero folds

Final Pot: $2.17

Dr.Karotte wins $6.22 ( won +$1.02 )
Hero lost -$1.05

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HAND 5
$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
7 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Rimowals ($4.90)
UTG+1 Hero ($5.55)
MP Sperick ($10.75)
CO mmcinally ($11.01)
BTN WoodenLeg ($11.20)
SB teerajaja ($5.00)
BB jurka444 ($14.31)

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 7 players) Hero is UTG+1
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, 3 folds, teerajaja raises to $0.60, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.40

Unknown villain. Do I fold here IP?

Flop: ($1.25, 2 players)
teerajaja bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90

Obviously I'm worried about AK, and if he's taking a stab with something like JJ I want to give him the opportunity to do it again on the turn.

Turn: ($3.05, 2 players)
teerajaja bets $2, Hero raises to $4, teerajaja goes all-in $1.50

At this point I realized I wasn't going to be able to get away from it, so I figured I would have to just ship it.

River: ($10.55, 2 players)

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HAND 6
$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG agrotenuis ($9.58)
UTG+1 Lordpoker6 ($1.60)
MP1 lawdog52478 ($7.30)
MP2 SeeVeeR ($10.80)
MP3 SNicoleH ($5.13)
CO muck for you ($2.95)
BTN RUTABUG ($1.93)
SB Hero ($5.08)
BB sykhlo ($2.06)

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 9 players) Hero is SB
2 folds, lawdog52478 raises to $0.15, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, lawdog52478 calls $0.25

He's 54/21/2.1 over 56 so I'm 3betting for value here.

Flop: ($0.85, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.65, lawdog52478 calls $0.65

This is pretty standard I think.

Turn: ($2.15, 2 players)
Hero checks, lawdog52478 bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75

Now I recorded this hand a good 2 weeks ago, and I can't for the life of me figure out why I checked the turn- maybe I had a read that he chases draws or would stab at scary cards but I should've just lead here, right?

River: ($3.65, 2 players)
Hero checks, lawdog52478 checks

b/f instead? It completes a shitload of draws.

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HAND 7
$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
7 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG tant84 ($5.57)
UTG+1 Mayacacante ($7.48)
MP Hero ($5.28)
CO granaino96 ($3.66)
BTN memomemom ($9.81)
SB magicrurik ($8.03)
BB alexxxsch ($3.13)

Villain is 74/38/2.1 over 39 Mainly just the river I'm wondering about.

Pre-flop: ($0.07, 7 players) Hero is MP
tant84 raises to $0.20, Mayacacante calls $0.20, magicrurik says "AJ before, AQ before, KJ now.....", Hero calls $0.20, 4 folds

I don't know if maybe he was an unknown at the time of playing? I should have 3bet here I think.

Flop: ($0.67, 3 players)
memomemom says "nice run", memomemom says "lol", tant84 bets $0.25, Mayacacante calls $0.25, Hero raises to $0.75, tant84 folds, Mayacacante calls $0.50

Turn: ($2.42, 2 players)
Mayacacante checks, Hero bets $1.60, Mayacacante calls $1.60

River: ($5.62, 2 players)
Mayacacante checks, Hero bets $1, Mayacacante raises to $2.65, Hero calls $1.65

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nish81
Old 08-31-2009, 12:46 PM #2 (permalink)  
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disclaimer: i play 2nl

hand 1:
i think i either 4bet or fold to the 3bet OOP. if you're right in that jaja's calling your 4bet with much you beat, possibly fold i guess

hand 2:
dunno if 99 or 88 are in his range on the flop, since he has a pfr of 12. is he positionally aware? (whats his ats?). i think he may have more draws here than you give him credit for maybe, Tx or Qx sometimes. I might think about rraising flop here, but i wouldn't do it. and i dont think i'd have the balls to bluff the turn card

hand 3
6 combos of AJ, 7 sets, and maybe like 15-20 combos of FDs that you beat? i'd prolly play it the same as you did, get it in on the flop while our equity is high against a wide range of hands.

hand 4
does villain c/r a lot? i'd be wary on the flop, he could do this with 3x (altho maybe just A3s and K3s in his limp-calling range?), pocket pairs maybe (he'd have raised TT+ preflop i think, but 22-99 are in his limp-calling range i think), and maybe two diamonds. so I think you're ahead of his c/ring range, if you shove here you'll prolly fold out his lower PPairs and end up vs draws and 3x. I fold river easily as played.

hand 5
you have 28% equity preflop vs a range of JJ+,AKs,AKo which is what i'd give an unknown credit for..you need, what, 33% to call? maybe its worth it with position
on the flop i think it's marginal again..i could see him c-betting all his range here, and you have blockers to AK. if we leave out JJ to account for the fact that his cbetting range might be weighted more towards Ax, you have 52% equity vs QQ+,AKs,AKo. I probably just call turn and river and get it in that way though, by raising turn you might be folding out JJ-KK if villain doesnt feel committed. i dont like calling turn/river though, but meh.

hand 6
i bet more on flop, .75-.80 maybe, for protection, but its not that big of a diff. his range by the turn has quite a few SDs, and he may be calling a bet with a worse Ax or maybe even KJ/QJ, so i'd probably bet/fold to a raise that indicated a flush. river i'm not sure, if you check he may check behind with his straights if he's afraid of a flush. on the other hand if you bet, you might get value from Ax. on balance I probably check.
<JustinSKS> Tha'ts why I fold my 33 to 72o, because 7 high beats, 1 pair, donk.

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JR: mono e mono
JR: man to man
JR: HU4ROLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Dealer: juan0984 folds
 
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Old 08-31-2009, 02:27 PM #3 (permalink)  
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1. Fold to shove preflop
2. Check / Fold turn
3. Call and bet turn - I would not shove
4. Tempted to call to see his busted flush draw
5. With unknown either fold or call it down to lose min.

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Old 08-31-2009, 02:42 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1) I do the same, prob fine

Hand 2) Tough one. I like to think I pay attention to the other players so if I was villain, I would have a hard time believing that you completed your straight. You raised pf w/ limpers so what hole cards would you do that with that complete the straight? AQ? maybe KQ? not a lot so I would have a hard time believing this bluff. I give up on turn, he has position and the card completes what he possibly holds.

Hand 3) He 3bet on flop so I dont know what kind of fold equity you have. If you have FE, why go all in? just pop it to $1.60- $2 and see.
Ih he just calls that, then you can maybe put him on a worse FD or TP, 2P type hand.

Hand 4) Flop is fine. I still bet turn for value (maybe 1/2 pot) and c/f river.

Hand 5) Folding preflop is fine. You were likely a coinflip with JJ-QQ and in bad shape with KK, AK, AA.
Sorry man but this was spew on turn....he didnt 3bet with a worse Ace so you have zero fold equity and you wont win in a showdown at this point. Given your flop call the turn is a fold. He is showing a huge amount of interest in winning this hand and building the pot.

Hand 6) 3bet is fine although calling and bringing in a large portion of his range isnt bad either. Since you are OOP I prob 3bet as well.
On flop Vs a loose player like this I still bet turn as he can continue with worse.
I like your river decision

Hand 7) IDK....
vs unkowns I call pre vs loose fish 3bet pre is possible to keep field low.
Flop I raise about $1 vs 2 opps with FD out there. Turn is fine. Your river bet is weak. I check behind on river, the pot is already pretty big for just TP and now the FD completes which he was very capable of calling down for. Tough for him to call with a hand that you beat...
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Old 08-31-2009, 03:08 PM #5 (permalink)  
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H1 - You have a great hand but you're OOP and you have the initial PF raiser left to act after a short-stack 3bet. I can see 4betting if UTG+1 is really loose but he's not. The PF call is fine. Folding to the 4bet is the right play IMO. I'm not putting in 120bb PF with AKs against an EP 4bet AI. His range at that point has you crushed or at best a coinflip holding QQ/JJ. No thanks.

H2 - Fold to the min-raise. He limp/called which shows total passiveness then comes alive on a drawy flop where he could easily have a set, 2 pair or the straight already. You have TPTK and you're OOP. You could just as easily be drawing dead. Let it go.

H3 - Why'd you shove the flop? If he's min-raising you with draws, let him since you have a draw yourself with a weak Ace. He's obviously overly aggro so he could even be doing this with any piece of the board. We have position, top pair and a great potential to stack him. Call and see how the turn plays out.

H4 - This hand makes me hate life. Over-bets at this level aren't typically bluffs so a folding is fine. Well played.

H5 - Folding preflop isn't that bad of a play here. When the SB comes over the top of an EP raise, I tend to give him credit for a good hand. I put him on AK here obv. I wouldn't expect him to double-barrell the turn OOP without it. If he has AJ or QQ/JJ he's a feesh.

H6 - Don't bet fold the river. Bet fold the turn instead.

H7 - I 3bet this preflop. I prolly only cold-call this villain on the BU. Bet a little more on the turn ~$2. I don't get the river at all. If you plan to call a raise, just put in to begin with. If you put him on the flush draw... then WTF save the other half of your stack. Don't pay him off. Trust your reads.

I could be off here some but a lot of this hand advice says fold, fold, fold. What does that tell you?
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