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RoyalProdigy

07-04-2009, 02:40 AM Post subject: 5nl Hand review

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($3.53)
UTG ($4.15)
MP ($5)
Hero (CO) ($8.51)
Button ($1.63)
SB ($15.12)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 10

, 9

UTG calls $0.05, MP bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.07) J

, 6

, Q

(4 players)
UTG bets $3.90 (All-In), MP raises to $4.75 (All-In), Hero calls $4.75, Button calls $1.38 (All-In)

Should i have made this call? I just hate putting my money in on draws....i know i'm like 48 percent to win this hand so with two others AI i figured i had odds to call. How do you go about calculating a hand like this to the T. I don't really run into this that ofton. Also should i have called if only one guy shoved..say the guy with Aces....

Turn: ($15.85) 2

(4 players, 3 all-in)

River: ($15.85) Q

(4 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: $15.85 | Rake: $0.75

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tunah

07-04-2009, 03:08 AM

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Note the more people go in on this flop, the more chance someone has a dominating flush draw like AJcc or even a lower one that steals your outs.

But yeah with 2 people all in already, you have enough outs for the call to be correct. Giving the other two players already in a range of {Overpairs, sets, AKc, AJc, ATc, KJc} you have over 1/3 equity.

And I know we don't post results here but it's a 4way all-in, I want to see what they had!

linaker

07-04-2009, 03:52 AM

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Yes you should make the call and then fist pump ten times. You very probably have a 50-50 chance of more than trippling your stack. You should also have called if only one guy had called. You are actually the favourite to win if he did have aces.

You have 15 fairly clean outs: 9 clubs and 3 kings and eights that are not clubs. OK, if he has AcKc, then you are in trouble as you only have the 3 non-club eights as outs. If he has Kc4c, then you only have the 6 outs that make a straight. But there are only a handful of hands that your opponents can have that take away some of your outs, so your chance of winning by the river is very probably 54%. Having a greater than 50% chance to triple up or even double up is a good bet and you should be eager to get your money in the pot with good draws like this.

I understand what you mean about hating putting money in with draws. It does seem odd to be shoving in all your money with Ten high, but your hand is actually better than AA on this flop, as AA's ichance of winning the showdown is only 45% against your hand.

When you are time limited on-line and the computer is beeping at you, it's difficult to calculate your exact winning odds with Tc9c on that flop, because it depends on the number of outs that you have, and that can vary depending on your opponents holdings. If you had AcKc, its trickier because if the villains only have one pair then Aces and Kings are outs as well as tens and clubs. In that case some people count the outs to the straight and flush as full outs and then add on say 2 outs to reflect the fact that the 6 Aces and Kings may be outs, but given the betting are probably not. You just need to work out your chance of winning roughly and if its greater than 50% raise, call or shove as appropriate. Don't fold!

jyms

07-04-2009, 04:00 AM

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Your a lot more than 48% to "hit your hand" whether your hand can win can be debated but you need to know that 48% is wrong.

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RoyalProdigy

07-04-2009, 04:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jyms

Your a lot more than 48% to "hit your hand" whether your hand can win can be debated but you need to know that 48% is wrong.

I dont exacly remember but when i ran it in pokerstove i was 50-57% so yeah i made the right call, i knew i had to make the call i just didnt want to lol, unless i knew i was gonna hit of course. Like i said i hate calling all in on draws i dont care if i got half the deck tomake my hand, plus it wasnt the nut flush draw thats another reason why i posted it and questioned about it.

I think i fuxed up my pokerstove calculation when i came up with this. I didnt add 2 opponets and didnt mess with the suits of some hands. just thaught id edit this.

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RoyalProdigy

07-05-2009, 03:29 AM

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So i dont use pokerstove that ofton can you tell me if i calculated everything right please?

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Board: Qc 6c Js
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.944% 40.48% 01.46% 807168 29128.33 { Tc9c }
Hand 1: 29.028% 26.57% 02.46% 529726 49037.83 { JJ+, 66, AcKc, AdQd, AhQh, AsQs, AcJc, KdTd, KhTh, KsTs, Td9d, Th9h, Ts9s, 8c7c, 7c6c, 6c5c, 5c4c, AcQd, AcQh, AcQs, AdQh, AdQs, AhQd, AhQs, AsQd, AsQh, KcTd, KcTh, KcTs, KdTh, KdTs, KhTd, KhTs, KsTd, KsTh }
Hand 2: 29.028% 26.57% 02.46% 529726 49037.83 { JJ+, 66, AcKc, AdQd, AhQh, AsQs, AcJc, KdTd, KhTh, KsTs, Td9d, Th9h, Ts9s, 8c7c, 7c6c, 6c5c, 5c4c, AcQd, AcQh, AcQs, AdQh, AdQs, AhQd, AhQs, AsQd, AsQh, KcTd, KcTh, KcTs, KdTh, KdTs, KhTd, KhTs, KsTd, KsTh }

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Is there anything else i should be taking into consideration when i'm faced with a decision like this?? or just go with the hand equity?

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nish81

07-05-2009, 09:18 AM

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Do you raise suited connectors preflop? I always thought they were more of a 'limp behind' kind of hand :s

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RoyalProdigy

07-07-2009, 10:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nish81

Do you raise suited connectors preflop? I always thought they were more of a 'limp behind' kind of hand :s

I didnt raise PF, i called. Yes sometimes i do raise PF with SC. Depends on table texture, position, and opponets.

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mr.duvall25

07-11-2009, 09:06 AM

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easy call bud dont break it down to much geeeees strait and flush draw all in.... on that flop you should be stoked they bet so big on the flop to bad u diid hit but next time u hit in that spot u make 3 times the money so u would have to loose two out of three to loose money and win 1 of 3 and your even

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