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Old 06-13-2009, 03:34 PM     Post subject: 5NL: couple of hands #1 (permalink)  

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Had a much better session on Saturday morning at Full tilt. does anyone notice that saturday is a little fishier? Maybe i just hit the right tables and got cards too.


1. Did i play this turn too weak? i was trying to make sure he called. Reads on him were 15/8. so he was pretty solid player. I put him on AK or high Pair.
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UTG ($6.11)
MP ($2.83)
Hero (CO) ($5.72)
Button ($1.40)
SB ($25.97)
BB ($3.66)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K
1 fold, MP calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.20, 2 folds, BB calls $0.15, MP calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.62) Q, K, 2 (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.62, BB calls $0.62, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.86) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.30, BB raises to $2.60, Hero raises to $3.90, BB calls $0.24 (All-In)

River: ($7.54) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $7.54 | Rake: $0.50

2. I never know what to do with Pocket Pairs, I gave up on it, but still won it. Should i have not given up? What to do?

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UTG ($5.14)
UTG+1 ($1.86)
MP1 ($0.95)
Hero (MP2) ($5.05)
MP3 ($7.26)
CO ($5)
Button ($25.66)
SB ($6.01)
BB ($3.68)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 9, 9
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, CO calls $0.15, 2 folds, BB calls $0.15, UTG+1 calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.82) 4, 2, K (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.35, CO calls $0.35, 2 folds

Turn: ($1.52) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($1.52) J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Total pot: $1.52 | Rake: $0.10
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Old 06-13-2009, 03:58 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 1 looks fine, just give up on the flop 4ways in 2
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Old 06-13-2009, 04:18 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 if betting 1.30 into 1.86 is trying to induce a call, then you've been trained well (most people do like 1/2 PSB and miss out on value). don't be so much worried about inducing a call, though, because these people are clueless about bet sizing and be moreso conscious of his stack size so you can get the rest in. your bet sizing was good for that.

hand 2: cbetting here is spewy. after that don't think of it as "giving up" on the hand; think of it as checking it for showdown value. the more interesting question is if you're c/c'ing the turn or c/f'ing. that would be more read dependent
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Old 06-13-2009, 04:23 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 oh and i suggest raising at least 4xbb+1bb/limper when in MP in full ring (in other words raise to .25)
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Old 06-13-2009, 05:24 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 The first hand is fine.

The second hand makes me want to kill a fucking penguin. What do we accomplish our with flop bet?
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oh and i suggest raising at least 4xbb+1bb/limper when in MP in full ring (in other words raise to .25)
Could you capitalize and use proper punctuation from now on?I remember reading somewhere that you required spaces and paragraph brakes of other posters so the "i" up there should be an "I" the "oh" should read "Oh" the "MP" should read "M.P." .I mean if you are going to require perfection of others, how about some perfection out of yourself?P.S.Don't forget the period at the end.
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1 looks fine, just give up on the flop 4ways in 2
idk, in my games I get a lot of folds because a bet here looks stronger

so it's opponent-dependent and I guess only a king/flush draw calls if people give you credit for a strong hand when you DO bet it
so depending on how their pf ranges are distributed I wouldn't be surprised to get 30-50% folds here and sometimes we'll win the pot against a flush draw that decides not to bluff

which I think what might have happened here
but I also think against 5NL opponents these assumptions are not true, because they'll call with random shit like AsTc and then randomly decide to bluff and put you in a tough spot

so probably giving up is correct, but only if the people who called have wide ranges and won't instafold if they miss
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