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Old 07-15-2010, 04:17 PM     Post subject: 5NL bad turnbet? #1 (permalink)  
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MP ($4.25)
UTG ($7.14)
CO ($4.38)
Button ($3.73)
Hero (SB) ($4.14)
BB ($7.76)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10, 10
UTG calls $0.04, 1 fold, CO calls $0.04, Button calls $0.04, Hero bets $0.22, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.20, [color=#666

Flop: ($0.60) 2, J, 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.45, UTG calls $0.45

Turn: ($1.50) A (2 players)
Hero bets $1.20, UTG calls $1.20

River: ($3.90) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.52, Hero calls $0.52

Total pot: $4.94

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no reads (one of the first hands).

PF: I know an average player on this stake is calling me with much worse. So TT is in my A-range here.

flop is a good flop to cbet imo + i'm getting value from lower pairs or FD's. I guess my bet is too big thought, scaring away the smaller pairs?

turn: I probably should've checkt this turn. I can't really expect him to call me with anything but a flushdraw or a hand that has me beat (any Ax,JK-J9,23s). I think my betsize makes 88-99 fold for sure, even if he's loose.

sidenote: I'm thinking this card wouldn't have been a good card to barrel even if I didn't have some sdvalue (like I've got here) since I think Ax hands are a decent portion of his range calling the flop. I think K would've been better. Is that a acceptable assumption for a 5NL player without real reads?

river: I'm planning to c/f but I guess for this price i need to look him up


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Old 07-15-2010, 04:28 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 I don't mind slowing down a bit on the turn here. If you're going to bet, put in just enough to deny proper odds to draw to the flush and get a call from worse pairs. Don't really want to play for stacks with a one pair hand with 2 over cards on the board. Of course we can fold here if raised. River looks like Jx and weak Ax fishing for thin value.
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Old 07-15-2010, 04:56 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 On paired flops it is very hard for a villain to hit them. That said, I'd have to say that a reasonable calling range for him here is 3s-Ts, Ax, and Jx.

That said, I think the flop bet is totally fine. On the turn, you now have to consider his range again. All of the Ax hands that floated the flop got there and are never ever folding. Stronger Jx may or may not fold. And all of the PPs are now probably out. Additionally, I highly doubt and diamonds will call here especially due to the size of the bet.

Essentially what you are accomplishing by betting here is totally polarizing his range. Only hands that beat you call, and only hands you are ahead of fold. You've essentially turned your TT into a bluff now hoping that the Jx hands will fold and give you enough fold equity to justify betting. I'd much rather see you check here as it would serve to keep the part of the range you are ahead of in the hand.

As for the river as played. Given the odds I'm paying this off specifically to see what cards he plays like this since you are behind 99.9999999999% of the time.
[00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
[00:30] <DC> daven
[00:30] <DC> on my hand?
[00:30] <daven> yep
[00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
[00:30] <daven> nice reason
[00:30] <daven> no further questions
[00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

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Old 07-15-2010, 06:07 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Old 07-15-2010, 07:53 PM #5 (permalink)  
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If turn was a 7 or something I'd bet $0.80 to keep his draws in and not put in any more money on diamond rivers. But the A sucks as it hits his range so I'd just c/f
 
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Old 07-15-2010, 08:17 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 yea and judging by this hand he seems stationy and prob is not folding his Jx hands to your turn bet, even though it smacks your range in the face
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