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Bradley
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06-14-2009, 03:15 AM
Post subject: 5NL: AQ facing min-raise on the turn
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3-of-a-Kind
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Villain was 90/9 over only 10 hands.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($8.95)
SB ($11.55)
Hero (BB) ($4.88)
UTG ($3.97)
UTG+1 ($15.12)
MP1 ($6.25)
MP2 ($10.12)
CO ($1.88)
Preflop: Hero is BB with  , 
UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.05, MP2 calls $0.05, 2 folds, SB calls $0.03, Hero bets $0.15, UTG calls $0.15, MP1 calls $0.15, MP2 calls $0.15, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.85)  ,  ,  (4 players)
Hero bets $0.85, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.85, 1 fold
Turn: ($2.55)  (2 players)
Hero bets $1.10, MP1 raises $2.20, Hero folds
Total pot: $4.75
Did I play this correctly?
Should I not have bet the turn? Or raise/call his turn bet, a min raise at 5NL usually means the nuts. Him calling on a flushdraw board then min raising when another spade showed up just screamd "i hit the flush" to me. But I'd like to see what you guys think.
PS: why does the hand converter says Party Poker when I play on PokerStars?
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4-of-a-Kind
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Your preflop raise is atrociously sized.
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Bradley
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It was 4x BB, should have raised more considering the amount of limpers?
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(1) It was 3xbb.
(2) Generally the standard is either 3x or 4x, with 1bb added on per limper. Look at the pot odds the limpers are getting. Especially if one calls, then the others are correct to call with a whole shitload of hands.
(3) Raising to like $0.40 would be more appropriate here.
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Bradley
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(Stupid question maybe): I made it 0.20$ total, which is 4x bb right? Or does my posted BB not count?
You're right though, with all those limpers suited crap gets the right pot odds to call..was a stupid raise. Even though usually at 5nl when you raise more than 6x BB they all fold. Hmm..
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JKDS
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hh is weird, should say raise to .2 instead it says bets .15...same difference but u did do 4x. however, as stackx says we should be doing 4x+1bb/limper. 4 limpers, so 40c looks good.
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For the turn, don't half pot. It's too easily callable for a flush draw and too easily raised if villain reads you for a semibluff. It's hard to learn anying from villains reaction to your bet.
Remember the only 3 reasons for betting: Protect, value, bluff.
I can see betting for protection here against a 4 flush, but what if you are betting into a made flush? I'd give it 50/50 that he's minraising with a made hand. I can't justify betting for value or protection in that case. So check/call small bets and check/fold large, in general. It will take reads on the player to know bet size tendencies on made hands.
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Originally Posted by FlyingSaucy
For the turn, don't half pot. It's too easily callable for a flush draw and too easily raised if villain reads you for a semibluff. It's hard to learn anying from villains reaction to your bet.
Remember the only 3 reasons for betting: Protect, value, bluff.
I can see betting for protection here against a 4 flush, but what if you are betting into a made flush? I'd give it 50/50 that he's minraising with a made hand. I can't justify betting for value or protection in that case. So check/call small bets and check/fold large, in general. It will take reads on the player to know bet size tendencies on made hands.
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it's perfectly fine to bet/fold for protection here because we get value out of his one card flush draws and worse queens
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surviva316
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06-14-2009, 06:01 PM
Post subject: Re: 5NL: AQ facing min-raise on the turn
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Originally Posted by Bradley
Villain was 90/9 over only 10 hands.
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for some reason i feel like you're lying to us here....
anyway, raise much more PF. i would say .40, but could even see more to iso the fish, get more value from a hand that's likely the best when now's our best time to get value 'cause it's the only time we're in position. (dare i say spr? maybe s ?). now it's less likely that people are calling with their soooooted trash, or if everyone calls then cool now you can play for stacks on this flop in most situations. (most stiuations)
as for the turn, either bet more than 1/2 the pot on the turn or just check. betting <1/2 PSB accomplishes nothing but essentially turning your hand face up. not saying checking is the best play, but if you do check, this idiot's probably only betting like a dollar, even if he has the nuts (that's at most).
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when did everyone in the BC start betting these flush cards at these stakes with their made hands.
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Bradley
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06-14-2009, 06:55 PM
Post subject: Re: 5NL: AQ facing min-raise on the turn
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Originally Posted by surviva316
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Originally Posted by Bradley
Villain was 90/9 over only 10 hands.
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for some reason i feel like you're lying to us here....
anyway, raise much more PF. i would say .40, but could even see more to iso the fish, get more value from a hand that's likely the best when now's our best time to get value 'cause it's the only time we're in position. (dare i say spr? maybe s ?). now it's less likely that people are calling with their soooooted trash, or if everyone calls then cool now you can play for stacks on this flop in most situations. (most stiuations)
as for the turn, either bet more than 1/2 the pot on the turn or just check. betting <1/2 PSB accomplishes nothing but essentially turning your hand face up. not saying checking is the best play, but if you do check, this idiot's probably only betting like a dollar, even if he has the nuts (that's at most). |
Why would I lie when I'm trying to learn something here lol? 
I'll remember that about 1/2 sized pot bets.. thanks for your advice on the hand 
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
when did everyone in the BC start betting these flush cards at these stakes with their made hands.
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Are you saying don't c-bet, or don't bet the turn when the spade shows up? ? Or am I missing the point.
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Hoopy
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Since his stats are over 10 hands I doubt their accurate.
Pre Flop raise 4BB +1 per limper, raise a little more out of position so make it $0.45 to go. Flop is fine, turn I'm not sure.
Spenda can you clarify what you mean by betting these flush cards.
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Lucothefish
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He means don't bet into a 3 flush board with a made hand because at the lowest stakes you don't get enough calls with worse to make it +ev.
You've essentially turned your tptk into a bluff.
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