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Old 04-08-2009, 07:00 AM     Post subject: 5nl AK OP #1 (permalink)  
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Hey guys, this hand pretty much stumped me. I was in such a weird spot and on the turn I really did not know what to do. Villain is 23/18 only over 30ish hands no reads.

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SB ($1.65)
BB ($7.08)
Hero (UTG) ($6.13)
MP ($5.39)
CO ($10)
Button ($4.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, K
Hero bets $0.15, 1 fold, CO calls $0.15, Button raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.15, CO calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.97) Q, 3, A (3 players)
Hero bets $0.75, 1 fold, Button raises to $1.50, Hero calls $0.75

Turn: ($3.97) J (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1.85, Hero???

Did I go wrong leading the flop? And what do I make of his min raise? Bad turn check? I really didnt see what I was ahead of there, almost all of his PPs that he 3 bets have made sets, and on the turn I cant even beat AQ AJ anymore. Any thoughts?
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:03 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Fold turn now. I wouldn't lead flop though. Would c/c.
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:08 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Fold turn now. I wouldn't lead flop though. Would c/c.
What advantage do I gain by c/c on the flop? I am a total nit when it comes to playing OOP so I dont have a lot of experience doing it. When I do play, I usually just lead my range. If i c/c do I still fold the turn? or am I running him down to the river?
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:10 AM     Post subject: Re: 5nl AK OP #4 (permalink)  
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Villain is 23/18 only over 30ish hands no reads.
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Did I go wrong leading the flop? And what do I make of his min raise? Bad turn check? I really didnt see what I was ahead of there, almost all of his PPs that he 3 bets have made sets, and on the turn I cant even beat AQ AJ anymore. Any thoughts?
Whats villains AF? and yes, you did not need to bet this flop, c/c.
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:15 AM     Post subject: Re: 5nl AK OP #5 (permalink)  
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Did I go wrong leading the flop? And what do I make of his min raise? Bad turn check? I really didnt see what I was ahead of there, almost all of his PPs that he 3 bets have made sets, and on the turn I cant even beat AQ AJ anymore. Any thoughts?
Whats villains AF? and yes, you did not need to bet this flop, c/c.
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:22 AM     Post subject: Re: 5nl AK OP #6 (permalink)  
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Villain is 23/18 only over 30ish hands no reads.
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Did I go wrong leading the flop? And what do I make of his min raise? Bad turn check? I really didnt see what I was ahead of there, almost all of his PPs that he 3 bets have made sets, and on the turn I cant even beat AQ AJ anymore. Any thoughts?
Whats villains AF? and yes, you did not need to bet this flop, c/c.
I think Im missing something here. If I 4-bet and get called, doesnt that put me in a bad spot if I flop air?

His AF so far 3.0 and yes howcome I would rather c/c instead of lead here?
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:40 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 What hands in villains 3betting range are you expecting to get value from when you lead the flop here? Although, I wouldn't expect to get raised too terribly often, how do you feel you fair if villain raises?

Your obviously not likely to get 3 streets of value against villains KK/JJ/TT type hands. If villain is really bad, and the turn J didn't come, you might get 3 streets against AJ/AT, if that's even in his min3betting range. By leading the flop, I can see you only getting value from like KK/Ax, and he likely isn't calling those hands on the flop 100% of the time, and even if he is he isn't likely putting in much money on the turn and river with them.

However, by leading the flop you are potentially taking away a good portion of villains range that you do beat, such as bluffs and weaker hands like the KK/Ax. By check/calling you let him put in money when he is behind more often, whether as a bluff or him valuebetting a worse hand.

If I check/call the flop, I likely c/f this turn. AQ/AJ/AA/QQ/JJ all beat you. You tie with AK, and I wouldn't expect him to bet the flop and turn with KK/TT, or many worse Ax hands. This effectively covers the main portion of his min3betting range (although this is total assumption).
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:48 AM #8 (permalink)  
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what about when he checks back the flop
do we bet/fold or check/call the turn?
can we now get a streets worth of value out of TT/KK/Ax
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:52 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 I was hoping tyrn would answer

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Old 04-08-2009, 08:01 AM #10 (permalink)  
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I was hoping tyrn would answer

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Yeah I saw that.. But SushiWizard asked me my thought before that, so I figured I owed a response.

Clvacva: Well, if he checks back turn, I'm still really not liking this turn card that much. JJ/AJ is now ahead, and if we bet I'm really only expecting value from KK or a weaker Ax. I don't expect TT to put any money in. I likely still check the turn, and calling becomes even closer now that a larger portion of his value 3betting range has pulled ahead. However, given the stakes and the min3bet, I think he could have shit here often enough or betting worse some % of the time I would likely call at least one street (like he could bet KQ/KK, or something similiar if it's in his range).
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