Originally Posted by kleitches

First, when posting a hand for analysis, leave the results out so that they don't skew people's viewpoints.

Originally Posted by Slevin

I think the fact I'm asking it's pretty obvious they got busted so I wont bother withholding the result.

Originally Posted by kleitches

As everyone mentioned above, being check-raised when we're in position, or being raised when we're out of position usually indicates a very strong holding. Obviously it depends on the villian and the flop texture, but you're likely to be behind if you only hold a pair. There is a theorem that specifically addresses this situation:, google the "Baluga Theorem". (I tried to provide a link just now but FTR hates me because I have less than 10 posts).

To sum it up, villians at these levels aren't sophisticated enough to semi-bluff draws or get tricky. If you're being played back on the turn and you have one pair, you can safely fold if you're not pot committed to the hand.

Originally Posted by clvacva

when checked raised on the turn with that turn card
i would have thought KT, KT, JJ, AQ.
and d0zer has a bad ass point
"why didnt that king slow him down"

Originally Posted by d0zer

If villain is pretty straightforward, you have to ask yourself "why didn't that king slow him down?".

If you put him on a Jx hand like AJ,KJ,QJ,JT -- AJ and QJ are probably going to be scared of that king. More aggressive players may raise their straight draw here with a hand like QJ, but passive or weak players probably won't.

I don't mind stacking off here vs more aggressive opponents, but players who are generally more passive postflop I'm pitching these aces here when c/r'd on the turn.

The old motto "turn raises usually mean something big" exists for good reason. One pair hands often can't stand up to turn raises without decent reads.

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Question for slev: is c/c flop, c/r turn usually worse than 1 pair?

Originally Posted by iopq

sometimes

Originally Posted by Erpel

To continue in a similar vein the abhorrent part of the post is not the results it's the lack of reads.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

That's great had never heard that motto before I'll make sure I remember it, thanks Dozer!

Originally Posted by iopq

sometimes

Originally Posted by oskar

Without reads this is an easy call imo unless you think you can discard KQ, AK.
There's close to 0 chance I lay this down against anyone but the nittiest.

And slevin, you should know better than to post results by now.

Micro... every second thread you're trying to talk people into making retarded laydowns without giving any reason.
I'm not big on posting pokerstove shit, because everyone can and should do it for themselves, but...

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.619% 56.14% 00.48% 1408 12.00 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 43.381% 42.90% 00.48% 1076 12.00 { JJ-TT, 55, AKs, KJs+, JTs, AKo, KJo+, JTo, 98o }

Remove the retarded semi-bluff (89o), and this is still an easy call.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

Should I be folding these here? I think the fact I'm asking it's pretty obvious they got busted so I wont bother withholding the result. Had aces cracked 4 times in last session, and now 100 odd hands into the next session I'm down another BI because of them.

Starting to doubt myself here. Down 6 buy ins today. Should I be folding these at 5nl? or playing them differently? Thanks!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($5.66)
MP1 ($6.87)
MP2 ($5.95)
Hero (MP3) ($5)
CO ($8.54)
Button ($7.51)
SB ($7.36)
BB ($15.12)
UTG ($6.78)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, A
4 folds, Hero bets $0.20, 3 folds, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.42) J, 5, 10 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.22) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB raises to $5, Hero calls $3.40 (All-In)

River: ($10.02) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $10.02 | Rake: $0.45

Results:
BB had J, K (two pair, Kings and Jacks).
Hero mucked A, A (one pair, Aces).
Outcome: BB won $9.57

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Can you double check the maths to make sure its good?

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Based on having no reads, what would you do here IOPQ?

That's what I thought.

Originally Posted by iopq

with no reads I have a marginal situation where calling is as good as folding
when villain shows up with AK nobody ever posts the hand