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10-23-2009, 06:00 PM Post subject: 5NL AA versus Loose Passive

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Villain is a 67/4.76/afq: 52/ AF: 1.20 type.

Did i play this hand correctly against this player. I have much difficulty with these kind of players. Since villain is very passive PF and is playing 67% of his hands it's hard for me to define a range postflop.

$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
8 Players
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Stacks:
UTG Hero ($4.67)
UTG+1 Forbet80 ($4.75)
MP1 Lipaa10860 ($10.23)
MP2 4bs1nth ($2.20)
CO laguna856 ($6.65)
BTN yankee1966 ($4.60)
SB dxwind ($10.54)
BB onemichl ($4.63)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 8 players) Hero is UTG

Hero raises to $0.20, 3 folds, laguna856 calls $0.20, 3 folds

Flop:

($0.47, 2 players)
Hero checks, laguna856 bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.70, laguna856 calls $0.50

Is the c/r the correct thing to do in this situation?

Turn:

($1.87, 2 players)
Hero bets $1, laguna856 calls $1

I think my bet is way to small. 1.60ish more appropriate?

River:

($3.87, 2 players)
Hero goes all-in $2.77, laguna856 calls $2.77

Final Pot: $9.41

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10-23-2009, 06:25 PM

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This guy is very loose/passive. He's your typical calling station/ATM.

So with that in mind, why do you feel a check/raise on the flop is correct against this type of person? What mistakes does this player typically make? Does he bet too often? Or call too often? And knowing his tendencies, what should you do to exploit him?

If you answer those questions, and actually think about the logic behind the correct answers to those questions, you should no longer have much difficulty against these types of players. In truth, loose/passives are like the easiest players to play against. You do a lot of one thing, and little of another, and you are exploiting his tendencies to the max. What are those things?

Answer answering the questions, look back at your hand, and tell us how you should have played it.

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10-23-2009, 07:12 PM

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LP players are peaple who play a ridiculous amount of hands, don't bet or raise and call too much. They call down pretty much everything.

Betting more on every street is certainly something i plan on doing next time i encounter such a player. Concerning the C/R on the flop i'm not so sure about this. I think i shoul have bet right away. The chance him checking back is big. Bet, bet, bet.

btw he showed down 3OAK T's

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10-23-2009, 07:25 PM

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Yeah.. This is a very easy Bet/Bet/Bet situation trying to get the money in as long as he keeps calling. Basically, he doesn't bet/raise often, but when he does it's usually a pretty strong range. However, he does call a wide range on average. Which leads to the reason why on the flop a bet > check/raise. He is calling such a wide range of hands that you want to bet and get value from those hands. Whereas, if you check his betting range likely isn't nearly as wide as his calling range. Therefore, if you check he is likely checking behind some hands that he would have called a bet with.

So in essence, the way to exploit someone who calls too often, doesn't bet/raise often, and doesn't fold often is to widen your value betting range, and narrow your bluffing range. If he isn't folding, then you can value bet loads of hands that would something be marginal (2nd pair, etc depending on situation). If he isn't folding then bluffing becomes pointless as you just don't have the fold equity that makes bluffing profitable. Also, given he rarely raises, when you do face aggression, you should be willing to make some "big" laydowns.

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10-23-2009, 08:08 PM

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SPR here is 9 I would probably open bet the flop for around .3-.4 here. Considering how loose the villain is I'd aim for the higher end like .35 - .39. The turn is a scare card for us but his range is so wide and it gives us outs to the nut flush. Assuming he calls our flop bet of .4 (easier math) that makes the pot 1.27. We have top pair and 9 outs to the nut flush. Putting him on AK-JT,A*,*c*c,AA-TT,88,22 gives us a whopping 86% equity so we're not going anywhere. At this point I'm inclined to punish him since I'm now committed and I know he's calling with basically any two cards I'll probably make it 1 - 1.25 to go depending on how stationary I think he is. On the river I'm shoving in the rest of it no matter what card comes.

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