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Old 05-29-2009, 09:52 PM     Post subject: 5NL - 2 hands for review #1 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1:

Villian was 33/11 over 19 hands. I hadn't seen him do anything too stupid, but it's a small sample size. I feel like I played this ok. PF, I put him on a decent sized pair or two paint cards. On the Turn, with only ~1/2 pot left, I thought I should put it in. What do you guys think?

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UTG ($6.74)
MP ($5.22)
Button ($4.52)
SB ($2.28)
Hero (BB) ($5.24)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A
1 fold, MP bets $0.20, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.65, MP calls $0.45

Flop: ($1.32) K, 2, 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.55, Hero raises to $1.90, MP calls $1.35

Turn: ($5.12) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.69 (All-In), MP calls $2.67 (All-In)

River: ($10.46) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $10.46 | Rake: $0.50
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Hand 2:

Villian is 33/23 over 365 hands. My notes say he's not good and a CS.

Should I have played differently to get more value. I noticed the possible flush and str8 draw.

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SB ($5)
Hero (BB) ($4.50)
UTG ($9.63)
MP ($5.30)
Button ($2.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, 6
3 folds, SB bets $0.15, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.30) J, 6, 5 (2 players)
SB bets $0.35, Hero raises to $1.15, 1 fold

Total pot: $1 | Rake: $0.05
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Old 05-29-2009, 09:54 PM #2 (permalink)  
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This all looks fine to me.
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Old 05-29-2009, 10:16 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Hand 1. I would raise a bit larger preflop being OOP. Like .70-.80. I dont get why you c/r the flop. I would just lead out close to pot, and you can still jam the turn. I think leading the flop and shoving the turn makes villian stack off a bit lighter than check raising the flop. Also it sucks when he checks behind the flop and hits his gutterball on the turn.

hand 2. looks good.
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Old 05-29-2009, 10:20 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Sorry, misread hand one. Yeah, just lead out on the flop.
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Old 05-29-2009, 10:47 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 wtf with c/r line? this narrows his range to only 99, kk, and AK. checking itself isnt neccessarily bad, i think his range here is like {99+, AJ+, Kt+, QT+, JT+}. Most misses, and alot of villains will just "lol, u check so i bet" their entire range so we would probably get some value from flop and turn bluffs. I prefer a lead though since i beleive there are so many kings in his range. I lean towards a lead out even more if he is inclined to call with his TT-QQ type hands. As played, turn bet is fine.

hand two is fine i think. a large part of his range connects with this board.
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just cbet the flop in hand 1
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Old 05-30-2009, 01:12 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 I don't like the check/raise either in hand one, just bet/bet/bet and value town this plug.
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Old 05-30-2009, 01:32 AM #8 (permalink)  
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I don't like the check/raise either in hand one, just bet/bet/bet and value town this plug.
Why the c/r on the flop? Because I saw it in a 25NL video and villian got stacked! The idea, of course, is that betting the flop will result in villian folding unless he has a K. It happens all the time. I get TPTK, make a small bet and villian folds. With the c/r, at least you get an extra bet PLUS the chance that villian reads it as a bluff and shoves AI, like in the video.

I think villians range includes AK, KQ, KJ and since he likes his hand preflop he could also have QQ, JJ. All of which I crush. More discussion please. Is c/r too fancy for 5NL. Villian was a donk in the 25NL video, too. Maybe we could talk about the right time to c/r.
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 I wouldn't check raise unless I had a read that he's really aggressive.

I'd just bet because he will pay you off with worse, though I suppose even if he did check behind on the flop it's not the end of the world as I think you should still be able to get all the money in without having to get raised due to - brace yourself I'm gonna say it - SPR.

If we actually just consider the SPR for this hand checking isn't as bad as it seems. So I think you could play it either way and it would probably be fine. I still bet because something like JJ isn't folding.

The downside I see to check/raising though is scaring villain off weaker hands that he might just call down anyway.
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I'd just bet because he will pay you off with worse, though I suppose even if he did check behind on the flop it's not the end of the world as I think you should still be able to get all the money in without having to get raised due to - brace yourself I'm gonna say it - SPR.
I have not studied SPR. I'll put that on my list.

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The downside I see to check/raising though is scaring villain off weaker hands that he might just call down anyway.
I kinda wanted to scare him off with my flop raise. I like A's to hold up and win every once in a while. lol
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I don't like the check/raise either in hand one, just bet/bet/bet and value town this plug.
Why the c/r on the flop? Because I saw it in a 25NL video and villian got stacked! The idea, of course, is that betting the flop will result in villian folding unless he has a K. It happens all the time. I get TPTK, make a small bet and villian folds. With the c/r, at least you get an extra bet PLUS the chance that villian reads it as a bluff and shoves AI, like in the video.

I think villians range includes AK, KQ, KJ and since he likes his hand preflop he could also have QQ, JJ. All of which I crush. More discussion please. Is c/r too fancy for 5NL. Villian was a donk in the 25NL video, too. Maybe we could talk about the right time to c/r.
c/r is for stacking the PFR (who's repping a nice hand) not someone who just called your raise repping like a small pp or scs
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Old 05-30-2009, 07:22 PM #12 (permalink)  
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wtf with c/r line? this narrows his range to only 99, kk, and AK.
I guess this thread is ova, so I'll thank everyone for the input. What did he have? Villian hit his two-outer on the Turn.
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 not to be results oriented...but i was actually thinkin more on this and realized that players at micros have wider c/r calling ranges than i originally thought. i think they fold turns and rivers pretty often...but i think the amount from c/r'ing might be more than those weaker hands might use to bluff.

what i was getting at before...i think is also incorrect. his nut range here i think would be weighted towards 3betting the flop. some villains will slowplay still cuz they dont recognize the strength of a c/r...but most of the time i think the nut hands will just auto 3b.

i guess then the question of c/r really comes down to whether the opponent is aggro enough to "lol, u check so i bet" in a 3b pot against you and how wide his 3b calling range pre is. I might be getting results oriented again...but for this hand i think his range might have been wide enough to be calling a lot of those c/r on the flop with weak holdings.
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