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white Rook
Old 07-28-2010, 09:22 AM     Post subject: 5NL: 1010 against possible squeeze - Bet turn? #1 (permalink)  
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 Very few hands of villan (8) seems good (25 25).

How to play this turn?

1) Bet (size?) and fold to shove

2) Bet and call to shove

3) Check

$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
8 Players

Stacks:
UTG ($5)
UTG+1 ($6.15)
MP1 ($6.40)
MP2 ($7.07)
CO ($6.97)
Hero ($9.52)
SB ($6.97)
BB ($5.90)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 8 players) Hero is BTN
4 folds, CO raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, SB raises to $0.75, 1 fold, CO folds, Hero calls $0.55

Flop: ($1.75, 2 players)
SB bets $1.05, Hero calls $1.05

Turn: ($3.85, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero ($7.72)?
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Old 07-28-2010, 10:48 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Well, I'm raising the CO pre for a start. If SB reraises, then we know he's got a monster and we fold. If he flats, it's very likely JJ or AK, otherwise he should be raising or folding.

But, we flat and the SB gets aggro. He could be squeezing with anything really if he decides the two active players are just playing position, but we have to assume he's kitted out with AK, JJ or better. We'd know if we raised the button, but we didn't. The flop looks good, but since we don't know if he has big pockets, it's also dangerous. I call his bet.

Turn, why has he checked? Is he scared of the flush? He should be more worried about a fourth heart if he's kitted out with a monster, unless of course he holds the Ah. So he's either given up on his bad AK, or his AK has ace heart, or he has AA with a heart, or perhaps he squeezed light with what is now a real monster, such as 22, and is hoping he's up against a flush. I'm really not sure what I do here under these circumstances. I'm now regretting not raising pre, because I haven't a clue what he might have. I probably check the turn and call or check the river, unless it's a heart, in which case it's obviously check/fold, or an ace might have me folding.
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Old 07-28-2010, 01:52 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I dont have afraid of dificult decisions. I thought that a call pre here with 1010 is standard in full ring (call to a CO opener).

Also if CO is on a steal, will fold alot to a 3 bet.

I think i can make more money with a flat call (to a CO opener), but i am not sure.

Thoughts?
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:50 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 The call pre is fine. 3betting in position with TT isn't going to do anything but fold out worse hands, and TT is a hand you want to play in position on the flop.

The flop bet from the SB looks weak, especially with the super-drawy board. If he had a strong overpair I would expect him to bet closer to full pot. So he probably only has overcards, possibly with one or two hearts.

Let's say we're weighting his hand towards AK -- 1/16 of the time, he has you beat. 6/16, one of the cards is a heart and he's drawing. The remaining 9/16, he only has overcards without a flush draw.

I think enough of his drawing hands will call to make this a bet on the turn. If he calls you with any heart in his hand, you still have about 56% equity.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:02 PM #5 (permalink)  
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The call pre is fine. 3betting in position with TT isn't going to do anything but fold out worse hands, and TT is a hand you want to play in position on the flop.

The flop bet from the SB looks weak, especially with the super-drawy board. If he had a strong overpair I would expect him to bet closer to full pot. So he probably only has overcards, possibly with one or two hearts.

Let's say we're weighting his hand towards AK -- 1/16 of the time, he has you beat. 6/16, one of the cards is a heart and he's drawing. The remaining 9/16, he only has overcards without a flush draw.

I think enough of his drawing hands will call to make this a bet on the turn. If he calls you with any heart in his hand, you still have about 56% equity.
What size you think is best? 1/3? 1/2? 2/3?

We need to look the stack size in relation to the pot, i think.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:13 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 Let me be clear white rook, I'm a newbie and just sharing my opinion. I'm probably wrong to 3bet tens here pf, but I'm doing so to show strength and hopefully control the hand post flop. I don't think there's anything wrong with flatting this, it's just I'd probably raise unless the CO was tight.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:54 PM #7 (permalink)  
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What size you think is best? 1/3? 1/2? 2/3?
He only has about $6 left, so that's the effective stack size. Definitely don't bet 1/3 pot, that gives him the right odds to chase a flush and also makes it much easier for him to bluff-raise you out of the pot.

I think around $2.70 is good. If he raises the turn, I think you have to call. If he calls the turn and the river is a blank, you can check behind or call his bet. If the fourth heart falls or an overcard, you can check behind him or fold to his shove.

I'm not an expert, either, but I'm trying to work out what the best play is here to improve my own game. This hand is interesting, nice post.
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Old 07-28-2010, 06:18 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Let me be clear white rook, I'm a newbie and just sharing my opinion. I'm probably wrong to 3bet tens here pf, but I'm doing so to show strength and hopefully control the hand post flop. I don't think there's anything wrong with flatting this, it's just I'd probably raise unless the CO was tight.
No just no, 3bing just makes worst hands fold especially OOP.(99- folds, and all broadway hands etc), it also limits opportunities to play multiway postflop w/ 3-4 players as 3bing most certainly makes this HU. If the villain who is opening is really bad and opening really wide and flatting a tonne of 3bs OOP w/ dominated hands then yes TT is a fine 3b but this is almost never the case and we don't have enough hands to know this yet. I'd rather 3b something like 72o then waste an amazingly good hand to 3b like TT.
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Old 07-28-2010, 06:22 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 Probably checking back turn and folding to any river bet. His turn range isn't really defined since he could potentially check better overpairs(JJ mainly, possibly QQ) or even KK/AA w/ a heart cause he isn't worried about letting a heart come off. His range is probably mostly AK w/o a heart but why do we need to charge a 6outer when his range could potentially be much stronger and if he has AK w/ a heart he may decide to do something like c/shove and this is going to cause us to make a huge mistake.

After checking back the turn I'd fold river some %, call river some % depending on the sizing ofcourse. Probably folding any heart, any 5, K, or A, and calling any blank Q or lower.
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Old 07-28-2010, 06:57 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Probably checking back turn and folding to any river bet.
I was going back and forth on this one before my last post. I finally decided that betting the turn was better because I didn't like such a passive line when we seem to be ahead.

But I think you're right, I'm not including some hands in his range that would take this line but still call and be ahead of us. A check seems better, with the intention of checking the river behind or calling a reasonable bet if no scare cards hit.

Unless the Th hits, of course -- then it's betting time
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Old 07-28-2010, 10:48 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 pre-flop fine
check back turn cos bluffing here doesn't work vs the nuts in his range, and you're gonna win at showdown vs his air anyway
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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