50nl: OESD facing donk on dry flop.

If you call and hit your draw, do you think you'll get paid enough to make the flop call profitable?
Do you think raising vs. this player you can get a fold often? How about double barreling on a good turn card if they call?

If he's donking in to 3 players on that board I'm giving him credit for a hand, however I wouldn't discard draws from his range, albeit the bottom portion IMO. If we call IP we have a chance to extract big money when we hit a deuce or 7 or a chance to bluff a scare card and take it down if he happened to be drawing as well or had Tx.

fold pre, just fold flop imo

folding pre isn't bad.
flop is interesing. Don't raise.

Originally Posted by Imthenewfish

fold pre, just fold flop imo

This, unless we have solid reads that he both donks top pair on flop and stacks the turn. At 18/18, I doubt very much he's this bad.
And yeah, just fold pre, pfr is utg ffs.

pre is probably a fold, but why would we ever fold this flop IP closing the action with 8 outs to the MF nuts and BDFD? Just call, u haz position.

ehh pre is mediocre cos MP.
not folding flop.

Originally Posted by Huey_Freeman

Villain is 18/18 over 38 hands.

Reads on UTG and UTG+1?

pre is definitely a fold given positions. don't fold the flop though. OESD on really dry flop vs probable set (or, at least, a strong range with many nut hands in it). raising sucks because we'll get jammed on so often and have to fold our equity. just call, i'm pretty sure your implied odds are good enough.

I find this quite a confusing hand.

You call and UTG raise with 1 caller already and 5 left to act with suited connectors. THEN, you hit the best OESD you can hope for with 65, a backdoor, and the SB is screaming that he has a hand.

And you don't know what to do.

This should ring very loud alarm bells that calling preflop was bad. You call a marginal hand that, when it catches a piece, will usually have to draw after the flop. You do this in the face of aggression pf knowing that you will be bet into on the flop (although you may have expected a cbet instead of SB donking). Think carefully then, what type of flop you are hoping for and how you should play it before calling marginal hands pf.

As played, on the flop, this is an easy call. Your hand will be so disguised (particularly if the 7 shows) that the implied odds are awesome.

Originally Posted by gingerwizard

I find this quite a confusing hand.

You call and UTG raise with 1 caller already and 5 left to act with suited connectors. THEN, you hit the best OESD you can hope for with 65, a backdoor, and the SB is screaming that he has a hand.

And you don't know what to do.

This should ring very loud alarm bells that calling preflop was bad. You call a marginal hand that, when it catches a piece, will usually have to draw after the flop. You do this in the face of aggression pf knowing that you will be bet into on the flop (although you may have expected a cbet instead of SB donking). Think carefully then, what type of flop you are hoping for and how you should play it before calling marginal hands pf.

As played, on the flop, this is an easy call. Your hand will be so disguised (particularly if the 7 shows) that the implied odds are awesome.

A+ post sir.

I agree with many of the posters here. I'd make this call pf in lp and only if I have a good read on the raiser.

This is the flop I'm looking for, so of course, I should play it. I want the straight draw more than the flush draw because it's less obvious. Plus, I have a backdoor.

You just call here because the bet size is large enough that a call w position is scary enough. I don't care what gets peeled on the turn, I'm betting the turn if he checks to me. If he makes another pot sized bet, I'll have to rethink it, and maybe fold.