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Old 11-30-2008, 08:49 AM     Post subject: 5 NL - QQ #1 (permalink)  

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Villain is BB with VPIP of 40% in 50 hands. What are some more things I can add to improve my post?

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Hero (Button) ($5.85)
SB ($1.89)
BB ($6.30)
UTG ($15.94)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, 1 fold, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.42) 9, J, 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.42) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB calls $1

River: ($3.42) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.15 (All-In), BB calls $4.15

Total pot: $11.72 | Rake: $0.55
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Old 11-30-2008, 10:16 AM #2 (permalink)  
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No need to overbet flop. Turn is good. Check behind river.

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Old 11-30-2008, 08:16 PM #3 (permalink)  

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I overbet the flop to scare away flush draws. I don't understand, why I should check behind the river? Right now I have an overpair. I guess I typically go all-in with high overpairs unless I see a potential flush, straight, or 3 of a kind.

How should I know when to fold? Like how do i know if the villain has 2 pairs or trips?
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Old 11-30-2008, 09:08 PM #4 (permalink)  
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What range calls you on two streets here, and of that range, what are you beating that will call a river bet?
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Old 11-30-2008, 09:24 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Basically on the river, the only hands that are calling you are ones that beat you, while the only hands that are folding are the ones you beat. So a river bet would be incorrect.

The check might induce a bluff, so when you check , you might want to consider calling a reasonable river bet.
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Old 11-30-2008, 10:37 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Basically on the river, the only hands that are calling you are ones that beat you, while the only hands that are folding are the ones you beat. So a river bet would be incorrect.

The check might induce a bluff, so when you check , you might want to consider calling a reasonable river bet.
We could get a call from AJ but thats about it. All other calls have us beat.

C/c the river yes.

Just to avoid any possible confusion, let me say that I suck at poker so dont take my word for anything. Im just trying to get y'all to think about the hand.
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Old 12-01-2008, 01:40 AM #7 (permalink)  

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What range calls you on two streets here, and of that range, what are you beating that will call a river bet?
I don't understand what you're asking here.

If I c/c the river, should I also bet more on the turn?
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Old 12-01-2008, 02:17 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Basically on the river, the only hands that are calling you are ones that beat you, while the only hands that are folding are the ones you beat. So a river bet would be incorrect.

The check might induce a bluff, so when you check , you might want to consider calling a reasonable river bet.
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I think it's a neat river bet.

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Old 12-01-2008, 05:14 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Oh, dat rilla!

I was thinking about this hand in work earlier, and I dont feel like doing the combos again but basically, for a river bet to be profitable, villain has to be calling us with worse than TPGK.

OP says villain has a VPIP of 40% over 50 hands. No PFR%, no reads. So all we know for sure is that villain plays loose pf. Sure we can make assumptions that he's a station (and quite possibly be right) but personally, I dont like betting this river and valuetowning myself with no reads to say I should.
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Old 12-01-2008, 10:51 PM #10 (permalink)  
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What range calls you on two streets here, and of that range, what are you beating that will call a river bet?
I don't understand what you're asking here.

If I c/c the river, should I also bet more on the turn?
Sorry NewbieNoOne, I missed this before.

You need to start putting your villain on a range (of hands) that he holds. Every street gives you more information with which you can narrow his range. Thus, when your deciding on whether an action on your part is profitable (+EV) or not (-EV) you can calculate the equity of your hand versus his/her range. Then you compare this to the equity your getting from the pot in the case of a call for example.

Theres loads of info on outs and odds and EV on FTR. Do a search of the forums and check out the strategy articles too. Putting your opponent on a range is an ability that comes with experience at the tables. The more often you have been in similar spots, the more you will know what hands you can expect certain villains to have. It just takes time and hands.
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Old 12-02-2008, 12:00 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Bollocks, your range is waaay too tight imo (see below for more hands villain could have).

Bollocks and Miecsdfsdfsdf, you can't c/c on the river here (or any street) because you have position on villain. If you are saying that you should either check or call a reasonable bet then don't use c/c as that is generally used when hero is out of position and the correct play would be to check, THEN call a reasonable bet.

I am with rilla here. Most passive donks like this will call down with very marginal hands (he could have T9, JT, QJ, TT, etc. here) but will really "wake up" and start betting when they hit big hands.

A simple but pretty effective philosophy for low to mid states is to bet until villain tells you that you are beat; and in this hand nothing that villain has done tells me that I am beat.

If you find out that villain will play a hand like 99, JJ or J9 this way then make a note, reload and move on.
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Old 12-02-2008, 01:19 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 I like this line. good value from a jack or some other random crap a loose donk'll call down with.
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Old 12-02-2008, 06:55 AM #13 (permalink)  
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bet a little more on the turn, making your river bet less of an over shove and more of a value bet.

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Old 12-02-2008, 03:09 PM #14 (permalink)  
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What range calls you on two streets here
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Villain is BB with VPIP of 40% in 50 hands.
Villain calls 2 streets with a huge range here. The river needs to be a bit smaller to get a call from a J but Jx is a big part of his range and we should definitly bet this river. I make it $2.
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Old 12-02-2008, 05:19 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Hmmm, I dont disagree with the ranging. I do tend to be too tight and its something Im working on.

Gator, re c/c, I didnt look at the hand again here, just replied to OPs last post. Hence the c/c mistake.

Thanks yall for showing me how I was wrong here. It's how I learnz
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Old 12-02-2008, 06:11 PM #16 (permalink)  
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Since he is very loose PF, is it possible he had 76? that would give him a straight draw on the flop and turn and in his mind a gut-shot might be worth making those calls. Then the 4 would give him the straight on the river which explains why he called your shove.
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Old 12-02-2008, 07:36 PM #17 (permalink)  
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Betting the river is good here. Hardly any draws completed, and a real monster would've likely raised you already. But like others said, you don't need to be overbetting. Bet less on the flop and value bet the river.

Also try not to post anything that happens in the hand after your last action. The fact that he called the river might skew some people's opinions.
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