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Old 06-28-2006, 07:15 AM     Post subject: Is 4 a bad kicker? #1 (permalink)  

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I was recently in a small speed tournment. 10 Hands at my table. I am BB. I get Q4u and check. We are 4 left. The flop comes: QQQ !!!!
How would you act?

When we talk about the nut, we could see KK or AA on the last cards. That in combination with a player sitting with AA or KK would be the nut, right?
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Old 06-28-2006, 08:26 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 a lot of times you can play it like you would any other hand (a pocket pair or whatever), some times you might slowplay it a bit. depends on a lot of things like who you're playing and position and what the blinds are, etc.

on the flop, you have the nuts. the nuts is the best possible hand at the time. on the river, aaaa could possibly be the nuts, but it doesn't exist yet, you still have the nuts for now.

the turn and river actually could bring many cards which would make you lose, there are lots of different runner runner straight flushes that could beat you, that is if you lived in hell.
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Old 06-28-2006, 08:35 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 oh and 4 is a horrible kicker but there is no situation where it could come into play after that flop.

one tip. let's say you had q4 and the flop+turn came kkkk. don't go all-in! you do not have the nuts. that might seem obvious, i've just seen a few people do things like that thinking "dur i have quads we all tie" then they get stacked.
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Old 06-28-2006, 08:59 AM #4 (permalink)  

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I think you should bet half the pot or something like that. It's not out of the question ace high will call that and a pocket pair will for sure.
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Old 06-28-2006, 09:50 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 Kicker doesn't really come into play here.. there are no more queens in the deck so it can never become a kicker-war.
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Old 06-28-2006, 10:03 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 With 4 people left and you in early position I would slowplay this hand unless the table is very tight. In a speed tournament you dont have too much time to make moves, so someone would try to take a stab at the pot. If the flop is checked I would bet 1/2 pot on the turn


 
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Old 06-28-2006, 10:19 AM #7 (permalink)  

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This is the HH:

Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: vcoreleone ( $2640 )
Seat 2: chipjoslin ( $4200 )
Seat 3: trauma71367 ( $8254 )
Seat 4: Hero ( $6280 )
Seat 5: kozmo5 ( $9705 )
Seat 7: mattcut99 ( $2660 )
Seat 8: alamedaluck ( $7250 )
Seat 9: elcucoman ( $4685 )
Seat 10: guitarnhand ( $2550 )
Seat 6: glennster68 ( $2670 )
Trny:25252540 Level:3
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qs 4s ]
kozmo5 calls [100].
glennster68 folds.
mattcut99 folds.
alamedaluck folds.
elcucoman calls [100].
guitarnhand folds.
vcoreleone folds.
chipjoslin folds.
trauma71367 calls [50].
Hero checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, Qc, Qh ]
trauma71367 checks.
Hero checks.
kozmo5 checks.
elcucoman bets [100].
trauma71367 calls [100].
Hero calls [100].
kozmo5 calls [100].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
trauma71367 checks.
Hero checks.
kozmo5 checks.
elcucoman checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 8c ]
trauma71367 bets [1362].
Hero raises [2724].
kozmo5 is all-In [9505]
elcucoman folds.
trauma71367 is all-In [6692]
Hero is all-In [3356]
Hero shows [ Qs, 4s ] four of a kind, queens.
kozmo5 shows [ Kd, 9c ] a full house, Queens full of nines.
trauma71367 shows [ Tc, Jd ] a straight, eight to queen.
kozmo5 wins 1451 chips from side pot #2 with a full house, Queens full of nines.
kozmo5 wins 3948 chips from side pot #1 with a full house, Queens full of nines.
Hero wins 19040 chips from the main pot with four of a kind, queens.
Player trauma71367 finished in 329 place
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Old 06-28-2006, 10:55 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 Nice one! Played it as well as possible I think and, fortunately, they all fancied a stab at it on the river.

I had the same situation recently with Kings and played it almost exactly the same. I only had one person still in at the river and didn't collect nearly as much as you.
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