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Donkafelts

12-22-2009, 01:05 AM Post subject: 4 10nl hands

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Ok so these may be simple spots for you guys, but I have really been having trouble with these kinds of spots. I get mixed up because villains don’t appear to be repping any credible range, so I call down thinking their ranges must be weighted towards bluffs. Anyways thanks for all the advice. Just realized I have like no reads on any villains other than stats so sorry about that, normally I have more.

Hand 1: Villain is like 71/22 over like 18 hands or so. No specific reads aside from that he calls with junk pre, though that is pretty obvious from stats.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($10.25)
SB ($10)
BB ($16.65)
UTG ($9.65)
MP ($30)
CO ($7.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q

, J

3 folds, Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20
Standard

Flop: ($0.65) 3

, 8

, Q

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50
Standard C bet to get value from 8s and worse queens.

Turn: ($1.65) 4

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
Check here for pot control. A big part of his flop calling range is 8x and weak Qx type hands that may fold to a 2nd barrel, but might give us more value on a blanked river. Also we want a smaller pot for when he has KQ or whatever. Ie. Worse hands fold to a bet, but might give us value later if we check, and better hands call.

River: ($1.65) 6

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.10, BB raises $3.30, Hero calls $2.20
Total pot: $8.25

So here we follow through to get value from his 8x and Qx hands and he check raises. It was hard for me to put him on anything here so I just called off even though a river check raise is probably for value a ton from guys like this. Anyways I need to be ahead of 27% of his range for a call here, am I?

Hand 2: 3 better in this one is 5/5 over 20 hands. Overcaller is 22/18 over 20 and has 3 bet like 3 hands if that’s at all relevant.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($10.50)
SB ($2.40)
BB ($10.15)
Hero (UTG) ($11.40)
MP ($7.15)
CO ($11.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q

, A

Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, CO raises $1, Button calls $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.60
Is this call terrible? Generally I would instamuck, but the 3 bet is so small and with the overcaller I thought my suited ace might be worth playing. Probably retarted to flat a 3 bet oop with a hand probably dominated by 3 bettors range, but that’s why im asking.

Flop: ($3.15) Q

, 10

, J

(3 players)
So I make my stupid call pre, which gets me in dumb spots like this one. I may be posting this one just to justify c/f’ing TPTK, but is that what we’re looking at? (all of a 3 bet for value range is way ahead as far as I can see)

Hand 3: Villian is 38/8 over 27 and original raiser is 44/32 over 25 no real reads on either.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($4.50)
Button ($28.05)
SB ($10.55)
Hero (BB) ($10.55)
UTG ($10.15)
MP ($14.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3

, 3

3 folds, Button bets $0.40, SB calls $0.35, Hero raises $1.55, 1 fold, SB calls $1.25
Squeezing light here seems good to me, am I wrong?

Flop: ($3.70) 5

, 10

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
Pairs that called pre probably call a street on this flop, so I’m looking to showdown v his AQ and KQ type hands. Problem for me is I kind of think too much of his range is like 77-JJ. Should I be betting this flop and then double barreling any non ace turn or what?

Turn: ($3.70) 4

(2 players)
SB bets $8.90 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $3.70

Just lol. Obvious fold, but any thoughts on hand in general?

Hand 4: Villain is 31/13 over 20.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($10)
UTG ($10.15)
Hero (MP) ($11.30)
Button ($14.60)
SB ($10.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q

, Q

UTG bets $0.30, Hero raises $1, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.70
I put Villain on something like AQ maybe AJs or AJ if he’s really bad and 88-JJ.

Flop: ($2.15) 4

, 6

, 8

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.40, Hero raises $3.10, 1 fold
I really want to just call this flop, and would be doing this 100% against a bigger bet because raising looks so strong that I’m folding out a lot of the pairs I want to get value from. At the same time if he checks im betting to get value from those same pairs. Since he sorta does a mixture of the two I cant really tell what to do. Btw if you are going to flat a 3 bet oop (don’t) this seems like a good way to treat a flop like this.

Total pot: $2.95

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acoss3006

12-22-2009, 02:08 AM

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Hand 3, you really gotta ask yourself what kind of flop your actually going to like if your squeeze is called..

rpm

12-22-2009, 03:33 AM

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hand 1 i'm calling because villain's line makes no sense for sets or rivered flushes and he seems to be pretty loose and bad. your turn check may well have induced his river c/r, had you fired 3 barrels i would tend to give his river c/r range more credit and weight it towards value hands.

hand two i think you have to pretty much c/f any flop on which you don't flop two pair or better, pair/flush draw or gutterball/flush draw. small sample but 3bettors range looks like QQ+,AK. he might be 3betting as wide as TT+,AQo+, but every hand in that range has you crushed except AQ, which is a chop anyway.

hand 3 is a spot i find myself in lots because i hate being the passive guy who calls OOP hoping to setmine against a wide range, check folds missed flops and gets perhaps a 2/3 potsized cbet when he flops a set. this flop isn't a good one in my opinion to get too crazy on, as you have very little FE compared to a flop of AKx or KQx on which you can cbet and get 44-JJ to fold. most pairs are peeling, as are flush draws and, of course flopped trips. i probably check this down a lot hoping to show down against whatever broadways this 38/8 couldn't fold.

hand 4 i raise to get value from 55,77,99-JJ, or 78,56,67,45 type hands if he's bad enough, or possibly tilted, whatever. if he leads the turn for a substantial amount i believe we can weight his range heavily toward sets or other better-than-one-pair hands as our hand if pretty face up and we don't look ready to be bluffed. obv he folded so nh.

spoonitnow

12-22-2009, 04:36 AM

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Hand 1: Betting the turn is fine (and what I would prefer here), but so is checking the turn (probably). As for calling the check/raise, I don't know.

Hand 2: I probably call preflop and check/fold the flop. You're super far behind here.

Hand 3: I'd probably prefer to call preflop here. As played, I think there are many much better hands you can double barrel in your range.

Hand 4: Seems fine. I raise here with overcards a lot too though.

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kmind

12-22-2009, 04:46 AM

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1. Bet turn for value.
2. Meh with preflop as we're usually pretty far behind but insane odds so just call.
3. Good squeezing spot in most games. Depends on if they are positionally aware and how often they fold preflop. Squeezing with 33 isn't a good hand here though. Even without the SB calling it just doesn't play well postflop. And then esp. with the SB unless you have a read that both are capable of folding a ton preflop or the flop. Actually way more preflop then the flop. I'd squeeze here for value mostly or at least with much playable hands. Equity Equity Equity.
4. Fine but I'd raise less.

Donachello

12-22-2009, 05:01 AM

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Hand 1 I'm bet/folding the turn every time.
Hand 2 is meh.... probably better off folding to the 3bet since as played you are now in a spot where it is tempting to keep calling.
Hand 3 I'd be limping.
Hand 4 is fine although you could make the raise a little if you want a call

[00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
[00:30] <DC> daven
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[00:30] <daven> yep
[00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
[00:30] <daven> nice reason
[00:30] <daven> no further questions
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surviva316

12-22-2009, 05:06 AM

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i'm drunk (holiday's ftw!), but here goes nothin':

hand 1: i'd def bet turn. if you think he's not calling with a range that we beat here, then surely you must be thinking that he's folding enough for us to double barrel bluff here with any hand with any equity. that might be a bad way of wording it, but maybe it got you thinking...who knows

hand 2: if calling is a mistake, i can't imagine it's a big one give the odds we're getting. i'm calling with the hope of getting a great flop every once in a while, though, not with hitting this flop where we like usually have a second best hand and even hands we're ahead of have ridic equity against us. in other words, PRE: i can find a fold, but like "meh." FLOP: check with the intention of folding to most actions

hand 3: getting caught up with 3b bluffing 38/8's without reads isn't going to be fun a lot. i'd iso for value here with a huge range, but 33 is so shitty postflop even in position, and besides we can flat it profitably. as played, i auto cbet here because villains like this one peel preflop so light and then are like "oh no's how did the pot get so big with my K9o?"

hand 4: really standard except for your raise sizing. it's pretty huge given position and SPR.

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PhilMC

12-22-2009, 09:08 AM

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Hand 1: I am definitely leading turn... But as played, your line looks pretty weak and I do think he often bluffs in this spot.. snap call

Hand 2: Well, CO range is far ahead and youre OOP, but youre gettin really nice pot odds... try to figure out, which flops would you like to see, count the probability and compare it with pot odds...

Hand 3: I dont like to squeeze with 33... I prefer stuff like 78s or so... I would just probably call PF... but as played, I am leading flop every time..

Hand 4: I wouldnt discout some Kx from his range, since he is pretty bad, so I would be happy to take down the pot on flop...

surviva316

12-22-2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PhilMC

Hand 3: I dont like to squeeze with 33... I prefer stuff like 78s or so... I would just probably call PF

i don't think we wanna be squeezing as a bluff here with much of anything. just iso the 38/8 fish who'll be OOP with a wide range to exploit the fact that we're going to be in this spot more than we oughta be

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PhilMC

12-23-2009, 10:16 AM

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Yeah, I agree, I meant generally

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