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tyrn
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09-27-2010, 05:00 PM
Post subject: 4bet donk
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Straight
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I need to improve playing these 4 bet spots where I don't flop the nuts. I know there's some flaws in my thinking so I'm looking for input, and maybe some concepts I'm missing.
Getting more than 4:1 on the flop with 80bb left behind. I actually fair better vs a tight range like {JJ+, AK} which I have 30% equity compared to {88+,AQ+} which I have 25%. Unfortunately theres 2 more streets and still a lot left behind so all-in EV isn't the end all of decision making here. I think I'm supposed to fold and protect the rest of my stack, but a raise would look pretty damn strong. Plus I have blockers to the hands I'm dominated by (6 out of 22 hand combinations in the first range, 9 out of 46 in the second). I think the order of best options are fold > raise > call. Input?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (Button) ($6.18)
SB ($10.66)
BB ($7.46)
UTG ($5.22)
MP ($4.57)
Preflop: Hero is Button with K , A
2 folds, Hero bets $0.15, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.47, Hero raises to $1.43, BB calls $0.96
Flop: ($2.88) Q , Q, 2 (2 players)
BB bets $0.88, Hero ?
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tyrn
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Straight
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Also, I don't know if he would flat PF w/ AA or KK. I know I wouldn't
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StarGrinder
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Full House
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Um, correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't this a 4bet pot? You have to ask yourself what a 4bet accomplishes preflop. What hands donk into you? Then ask yourself what does a raise accomplish on the flop. What better hands does it fold out, if any? What hands call/ship on you?
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tyrn
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Straight
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StarGrinder
Um, correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't this a 4bet pot? You have to ask yourself what a 4bet accomplishes preflop. What hands donk into you? Then ask yourself what does a raise accomplish on the flop. What better hands does it fold out, if any? What hands call/ship on you?
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Oops 4 bet, you're right, I'm bad.
What do you mean what does a 4 bet accomplish preflop? It could take down the 3bet pot vs hands that I'm a coinflip against, I have AQ dominated though that one may not always call, and I could possibly fold AK as well. Yea I fold my AK to 3 bets from players w/ stats like 10/3 and 1% 3bet but this guy didn't have those stats. Plus I'm on the button, which gives him an even wider range to be 3 betting me with (upon second thought AQ is probably in his range). It also makes the hand pretty easy to play when flop comes A or K high. Was that question a level?
Hands that donk into me, for less than 1/3 pot = his whole range. He called a 4 bet, he doesn't have 53o. He's obviously got something with showdown value. (this is where I could be wrong, but i can't put him only on AQ or QQ because he donked)
Shove on flop given my line preflop represents AA very well. It could fold anything worse than AA, maybe even KK depending how weak/tight he is. His line doesn't look like aces, so unless he's got AQ or QQ, he may fold. Yes a raise wouldn't be for value. I'm just questioning if it's spew or not.
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StarGrinder
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Full House
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No, not a level. Just wondering what you're reasoning was.
If you're not sure villain will ever fold a better hand then it's definitely spew, and 5nl villains have problems folding for sure. I just don't think this is the best spot to turn your AK in to a bluff.
What are doing on the flop if he checks to you?
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tyrn
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Straight
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StarGrinder
What are doing on the flop if he checks to you?
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Bet 1.50 & check turn and river
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