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Imthenewfish
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01-31-2012, 11:54 PM
Post subject: 3b pot oop vs reg 2p counterfeit river
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villain is a bad reg that calls 3b's wide (sc's, pp's, sometimes random Ax) im kinda lost on river when i get counterfeited
$0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem
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5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG Millerwhite ($4.05)
CO Caujlap ($4.68)
BTN Ohhh Nooo ($4.21)
SB Boogzies ($2.15)
BB Hero ($4.44)
Pre-Flop: ($0.06, 5 players) Hero is BB  
2 folds, Ohhh Nooo raises to $0.08, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.24, Ohhh Nooo calls $0.16
Flop:    ($0.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.36, Ohhh Nooo calls $0.36
Turn:  ($1.22, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.04, Ohhh Nooo calls $1.04
River:  ($3.30, 2 players)
Hero bets x.xx?
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I like calling pre more than 3betting myself :/
I think river is just a c/f.
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Mr. Bucket
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I think 3bet pre is bad because even if he is calling wide you are going to be playing oop against a range that is still probably ahead of yours. I think we should exploit his wide 3b calling range by 3betting only for value, but QTo is just way too weak especially oop.
As played i think flop is good, turn is somewhat closer since his 78, 89, 9T, TJ, hands are probably folding a ton, but its probably still a bet though i think it should be smaller.
I think river is easy c/f
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Imthenewfish
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is there any way to estimate ev of calling pre? like i thought it was +ev to call but more +ev to 3b because he's probably opening like 100% or something rediculous for a minraise otb
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Surely the ev of a call here depends on (among other things like implied odds) whether you had an edge on villain postflop?
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if he's 3bet calling range is wide, then i wouldnt 3bet him OOP w/ QTo. as for calling i dont like it either, our hand is easy dominated even if we hit TP. i would fold here almost always
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I honestly disagree with everybody else. I think 3 bet is fine, hes gonna call with all kinds of trash and you'll be able to take it down with the initative a tonne. your just gonna play so much better than him in a 3bet pot. whats the other option call miss flop give up, never make much when we hit cos we're oop.
c/f river unless he'd bluff with a JT 9T 89 type hand then maybe c/c but prolly just c/f.
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Not a great hand to be 3betting if he calls lots of 3bets given it doesn't have great playability postflop +oop. I'd rather call since he only minraised.
Probably c/f river, betting doesn't accomplish much.
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If he calls 3-bets with small pps and SCs then obviously 3-betting this hand is perfect. Size is too small though.
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There is no way to estimate the ev of a preflop call with this hand because there are too many variables and future rounds of betting. If we could do this, bots would already be solving the game.
As for the hand, I think calling pf is OK and I don't like 3-betting so much because the hand is too marginal and I don't want to play a big pot OOP with it. Maybe if it was suited?
Anyhow, if he can fold KQ this could be a 1/3 pot bet fold. I think c/f is better because so much of his range has you on toast and a bet probably value towns yourself too much.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gingerwizard
There is no way to estimate the ev of a preflop call with this hand because there are too many variables and future rounds of betting. If we could do this, bots would already be solving the game.
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Bots are already crushing midstakes.
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Originally Posted by Huey_Freeman
Bots are already crushing midstakes.
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I'm pretty sure the mods must've misclicked when they chose daven instead of you to ban. Will you please gdiagf
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Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
If he calls 3-bets with small pps and SCs then obviously 3-betting this hand is perfect. Size is too small though.
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what would be a better size here? 0.32? im not sure how much fold equity i have post because he might be pretty stationy there too so im only firing pretty good boards so smaller seemed better without thinking about my value range
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Imthenewfish
what would be a better size here? 0.32? im not sure how much fold equity i have post because he might be pretty stationy there too so im only firing pretty good boards so smaller seemed better without thinking about my value range
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I don't understand 3betting if this is our thought process. Can you elaborate on "good boards"? If we're only continuing with 2pair or better then this has to be a -ev move.
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I'm pretty sure the mods must've misclicked when they chose daven instead of you to ban. Will you please gdiagf
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Imthenewfish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by supa
I don't understand 3betting if this is our thought process. Can you elaborate on "good boards"? If we're only continuing with 2pair or better then this has to be a -ev move.
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if he folds more than like 60% pre its +EV and he definitely is doing that even if he isn't folding all but premiums to a 3b. i meant good boards as in dry Axx or Kxx or ones that i have some type of equity on.
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gingerwizard
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Imthenewfish
if he folds more than like 60% pre its +EV and he definitely is doing that even if he isn't folding all but premiums to a 3b. i meant good boards as in dry Axx or Kxx or ones that i have some type of equity on.
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So your theory is we just 3-bet our BB every time the button raises with any two until he stops folding 60%.
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3bing pre was a pretty horrid choice. River is a bad card to bluff and a bad card to vb so go from there on river choices.
also bear in mind you lose to every hand he bets and its super hard to have a bluff here unless he decides to bet JT
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