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Robb
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12-11-2007, 01:43 AM
Post subject: 3-way monster gang-bang - hero w/ QQ
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NL10. No real read on either villain. I went from thinking I was way ahead (flop) to almost certain I was behind (turn). Tell me how you would have bet this one.
To help critique my flop bet, I was hoping to keep both villains in the hand and then pray for any non-spade. So it half worked 
$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($5.49)
UTG 1 ($14.31)
CO ($8.97)
Hero ($10.31)
SB ($10.62)
BB ($17.84)
Pre-flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is BTN  
UTG calls $0.1, UTG 1 calls $0.1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.5, 1 fold, BB calls $0.4, UTG folds, UTG 1 calls $0.4
Flop:    ($1.65, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG 1 bets $0.5, Hero raises to $1, BB calls $1, UTG 1 calls $0.5
Turn:  ($4.65, 3 players)
BB bets $4.65, UTG 1 calls $4.65, Hero ($4.65)?
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kmind
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Raising flop makes it so much easier to stack off on turn. I also raise more pre as well. As played I guess push and hope you are ahead/make a FH or quads.
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pankfish
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Gotta raise harder on flop. Raise to 2 dollars.
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Robb
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Originally Posted by kmind
I also raise more pre as well.
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How much pre? Two limpers plus blinds, so I put in 3 BB + a BB for each limper.
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daven
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pre-flop is fine.
BUT then you flopped top set, and min-raised on a suited board?!? re-raise to like $2.3 or something
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TLR
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You have implied odds to call
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kmind
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Originally Posted by Robb
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Originally Posted by kmind
I also raise more pre as well.
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How much pre? Two limpers plus blinds, so I put in 3 BB + a BB for each limper. |
Preflop is fine as daven said but I really think you can raise just a tad more to get more value. I think you can do like 5 BB + a BB...nothing huge but over the long run adds up.
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Robb
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Originally Posted by TLR
You have implied odds to call
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On the turn, I was sick, thinking of how stooooopid that min-raise was. But yes, I had the implied odds. So, I called. River was a 3, pairing the board. So I hit my boat against Js 9s and AQ (Q was spades, for TPTK w/ a flush re-draw for the win over J9s). $30 hand.
So after thanking the poker gods for not kicking me in the groin for my stupidity, I thought I'd post the hand and get commentary. If I re-raise $2 on the flop, J9s drops out, not having odds to chase (and hit!). I guess it's a coin toss if AQ dumps his hand, too.
But the good news with the correctly-sized flop bet is that, worst case, I'm way ahead of one opponent instead of barely in it on implied odds for a half-stack bet.
Finally, thanks for the input. I feel that hands where I pull stupid stunts and lose a stack teach their lessons pretty well. When I make a mistake in a hand and win big, I want to analyze it and figure out what I could have done better.
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Ash256
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Originally Posted by Robb
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Originally Posted by TLR
You have implied odds to call
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If I re-raise $2 on the flop, J9s drops out, not having odds to chase (and hit!). |
LOL are you serious!? Are the games so bad these days that 10NL players dump flushdraws if they aren't getting the right pot odds?!
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Robb
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Originally Posted by Ash256
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Originally Posted by Robb
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Originally Posted by TLR
You have implied odds to call
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If I re-raise $2 on the flop, J9s drops out, not having odds to chase (and hit!). |
LOL are you serious!? Are the games so bad these days that 10NL players dump flushdraws if they aren't getting the right pot odds?! |
Good point. I might still have won the $30, but it would have been a very different plot line, with the VILLAIN drawing to nasty odds.
LoL - the games are definitely not that bad. The flush chasers will fold to a couple of pot-sized bets, but not much else, imo.
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kmind
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Giving them bad odds and them folding > giving them good odds to keep them in
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